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To: Condor who wrote (50312)	5/22/2004 8:56:36 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Condor, For all that Jay's beloved Freedom Rock is to him and other entrepreneurial types it is also a huge slap in the face to many Chinese as the last remaining vestige of Western Imperialism to fall back to China. It was stolen from the Chinese as were other towns as a result of the opium wars (another one of Britain's altruistic expeditionary efforts which is why IMO hypocrites like Tony Blair are so full of $hit). Anyway I don't believe Hong Kong is a big factor from the PRC leadership point of view in the future of China. They would rather promote say Shanghai IMO.. regards Kastel er Spots...

To: Condor who wrote (50312)	5/25/2004 4:14:47 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Condor, <<China forfeits high ground>> ... as far as HK is concerned, the view at ground level appears to be not very much happening, perhaps yet, or still, maybe for a long time. Newspapers elsewhere make a big deal of it all, as usual. The 500k demonstration last summer was pperhaps energized more by fear of police /state power, and less so than by desire to exercise one person one vote. The two issues are related, but not quite the same. J