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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (133960)	5/22/2004 8:09:12 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 281500

<<it certainly was abusive, but it normally takes more than that to qualify as "torture" - except when the word is being redefined and expanded to make the US look bad.>> Being forced to masterbate vs boiling water enemas that Saddam was passing out. I know which one I'd pick.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (133960)	5/22/2004 8:19:03 PM
From: dumbmoney	Respond to of 281500

There is a persistent effort to redefine English words in the service of the enemies of the US effort. It's all about the pictures. The words don't mean a thing. The pictures of Americans abusing/torturing Iraqis are what will be remembered long after this is all over.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (133960)	5/22/2004 8:19:05 PM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This is similar to the deal about the dead contractors in Fallujah who were derided as "mercenaries" to make it look more like they had it coming. There is a persistent effort to redefine English words in the service of the enemies of the US effort. So what were those "contractors" in Fallujah, Nadine? Were they paid soldiers? Who is "redefining English words"? When it was described what their role was, they sounded like mercenaries to me...

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (133960)	5/22/2004 8:19:37 PM
From: Lou Weed	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<There is a persistent effort to redefine English words in the service of the enemies of the US effort.>> C'mon Nadine......out of curiosity, what treatment does it take to qualify as torture and not "abusive"? Is anal rape on your list or is that just abusive?