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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (25834)	5/26/2004 7:14:41 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

I was mainly pointing out the book Rove's aide Ledeen had published in 1972 "Universal Facism" - in praise of Facism.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (25834)	5/26/2004 9:49:03 PM
From: CalculatedRisk	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Bob, when a person does not believe the reasons given for some undertaking (like the Iraq invasion or Bush's tax cuts); this can lead to speculation on the "real" reasons. Not to reopen the debate on either of those subjects, but I never believed the reasons given for either of those initiatives. The explanations never made any sense to me. It didn't help that the reasons kept changing. It also didn't help that, as new contrary information became available, the initiatives remained the same. With regards to the Iraq invasion, there was a group of individuals that gladly took credit for the idea. They called their group the “cabal” and referred to themselves as “neoconservatives”. Over time, this appellation was shortened to “neocon”. In general, I don’t think it is worth while looking for ulterior motives. It has the taint of a “conspiracy theory” or of trying to read minds. In the instance of the Iraq invasion, these guys were trumpeting their involvement … so I decided to understand their views. One day, when I was referring to them as “neocons”, I was told that term is anti-Semitic! What!? You can imagine my surprise. I didn’t even notice that many of the members of the “cabal”, although not all, were Jewish. Some of these guys (like Perle) have even worked for the Israeli government. It doesn’t take a great leap to understand why some people question if they have dual loyalties. That is not me. Personally, I just thought their ideas were incorrect. I have read some of their plans like AEI: Rebuilding America’s Defenses and it was obvious they were following it pretty close. The plan is inherently flawed for two reasons: 1) they put military force ahead of diplomacy (IMO, military is the last resort of diplomacy), and 2) Empires (Pax Americana) are not financially sustainable. I am surprised that intelligent people would make such simple mistakes. But I don’t try to guess the motives of these guys. Their ideas are flawed and if Bush refuses to replace the self titled “cabal”, the American people will have the opportunity on Nov 2nd. But, once again, the real problem is that Bush does not present coherent reasons for some of his initiatives, or adapt to changing information. This leads to wild speculation or the conclusion that Bush is “stupid” or is being manipulated. It doesn’t help to speculate on why Bush behaves in this manner. Whatever the reason, the solution is simple: replace Bush. Best to all!