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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (135062)5/31/2004 11:00:45 AM
From: greenspirit  Respond to of 281500
 
Maurice, I've tried a couple of time to put together some thoughts related to what you've written, but it seems to come up all muddled and incoherent. I'll have to give your post some more thought. I enjoy it when you stretch my thinking that way, but it hurts a bit! :0)

In the meantime, out of shear coincidence, I ran across this article on realclearpolitics.com and thought it fit nicely with our conversation.

Speakout: Remember, we're not the bad guys
By Baxter Black, Special to the News
May 31, 2004
rockymountainnews.com

I am a friend of a young soldier who recently served in Afghanistan and Iraq, lost a buddy, and has returned disillusioned. Under the barrage of the smothering, instantaneous news coverage and inflammatory dialogue that pervades our atmosphere daily, it is difficult for him, and all of us, to remember the reason he was sent and the value of his contribution. He needs to know that America is deeper than CNN News and partisan politics.

Citizens are free to protest - in France, in Belgium, Italy, Spain, Bosnia, Croatia, Slovakia, Poland, Japan, Germany, South Korea and Iraq. Those citizens owe their freedom to America's military might and the aid of our allies du jour. Without the sacrifice of Americans, our money and our lives, Europe would today be under a Hitlerian dictatorship. The Far East, including China, would be ruled by the empire of Japan. Without the pressure and resolve of America during the Cold War, Russia would still be the oppressive USSR. Without America and her friends, Yugoslav and Iraqi people would still be under the murderous thumb of evil tyrants.

When viewed over the long haul, America has given freedom to half the planet in the last 60 years. It seems to be a habit with us. We manage to elect leaders who can rise above politics long enough to do the greater good. It is easy, in hindsight, to find flaws in FDR's complicity with Churchill, to express doubt over JFK's bravado during the Cuban missile crisis, to question Truman's defense of South Korea in the face of a rabid Red China, to deride LBJ's attempt to stop the spread of communism in Vietnam, to criticize Ronald Reagan's arms buildup during the Cold War that broke the back of Russia's war machine, to diminish the impact of George H.W. Bush saving Kuwait, to cheapen President Clinton's motives for intervening in Yugoslavia, and to deliberately diminish the success our policies and soldiers have achieved in our first big retaliatory counterpunch in the battle against radical Islamic terrorism.

America is a world power, not just because of its wealth and weapons, but because it will stand up and be counted when the chips are down. Since America grew into its pants, world-class bullies have been put on notice that humanity is watching. And these despots have had reason to be nervous; from Hitler to Tojo, from Gadhafi to Milosevic, from Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden.

We do not, nor will we ever, I doubt, have the "European mentality" of endless vacillation, fiddling while Rome burns. They are hamstrung by having too many cooks in the kitchen to be decisive. Democracy gave us a presidency that can react quickly.

Our belief in God saddles us with the compassion and conscience to get involved. And our youth gives us the strength of a world champion who still has the muscle and heart to not back down from a righteous fight. We are what we are. We profess to believe that every man and woman has a right to be free and we put our money where our mouth is.

We are not the bad guys. Our record is a proud one. Remember that fact every time you hear of citizens protesting in Kosovo, Kabul, Krakow, Sarajevo, the Philippines, the Netherlands, in England, Berlin, Baghdad and every other place on Earth where we have won. It is ironic that in the one war we lost and the protesters won, citizens are not free to protest . . . in Ho Chi Minh City.

Baxter Black is a cowboy, poet, humorist and commentator on National Public Radio. He lives in Benson, Ariz.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (135062)5/31/2004 6:45:53 PM
From: Noel de Leon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"Anyway, so I still think you Yanks are bloody selfish!! Going around the world doing good works, defending freedom and other countries. If you do it all right, you'll get heaps of reward and ego-satisfaction and all good stuff back. Greedy buggers! We don't go and be unselfish just anywhere do we? We pick and choose our unselfishness, being the selfish types we are."

The US is number 21 on a list of nations which report ODA(Official Development Assistance) as a percentage of GNP.
In absolute terms the aid the US gave prior to 2001 was less than that which Japan and France gave.
grida.no

For the past 3 years it has been higher, in part due to large amounts given to Pakistan after 9/11 and the devaluation of the Yen. More details are available at:

globalissues.org

But then again considering the consumer debt being amassed in the US it's understandable that Americans are so miserly when it comes to OAD.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (135062)6/4/2004 4:09:11 AM
From: greenspirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Maurice, I've given your post some thought and have come up with this...

Obviously, definitions can hamstring our conversation regarding selfishness or unselfishness, so perhaps we're using the wrong word? Instead why don't we try using the word "service" or "servant" instead?

I would suggest the motivation behind what America does, in many ways, is as a "servant leader".

The idea of servant runs deep in the Judeo-Christian heritage. In fact, references to it appear in the bible over a thousand times. It may not be chic today to say this, but America is still predominately a Judeo-Christian nation.

Regardless of your religious background, you'll have to admit Jesus was a leader. I believe he is the only religious leader who actually formed a management team and hired motivated inexperienced people to run his organization. Jesus continually asked questions like "How do I become first? "Who is the greatest", his responses were consistent "If anyone want to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all".

"Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me, welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is the least among all is the greatest". He washed the feet of others, and told his management team to set the example and do the same for others. "No servant is greater than his master, nor is the messenger greater than the one who sent him" were some of the things he said.

Once his disciples got his vision, he wanted them to go out and coach, support, facilitate and encourage others to do the same. This spirit of service is part of the culture and fabric of our society. Being a servant has transcended our nation into the leader of the world. Therefore, it is no coincidence, that the largest private charities directly helping other people, were begun by deeply religious people from the United States.

So, when there is a catastrophe Americans unselfishly rush to help.

When there is famine, we form private organizations to distribute food.

Where there is war, we attempt ways of seeking and keeping the peace.

Where there is suffering, we want to end it.

Where there is no liberty, no justice, and no freedom. We want to change it and sacrifice our most precious gift of all, our lives, in the cause of this service.

Today, America is performing a great service to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and the greater Middle East. We're serving the most basic of their needs, to be free of torture and barbarity, and be able free to chart their own course in this world.

This mission is aligned with our most basic cultural values of service to mankind. It is why we lead when others are unwilling, it's part of our "calling", we're inspired when we serve.