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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (135111)	6/1/2004 1:41:32 PM
From: dumbmoney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Mr. Hawk, Thank you for defining what sort of "freedom" we are fighting for.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (135111)	6/1/2004 3:45:36 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk, you are making me drool. You are approaching rational ethicism: <I imagine you feel the same way about public school, taxes, jury duty, licensing laws, and all the other minutiae required to create, sustain, and protect a free society, right? Conscription is no different than public school in that the state requires people to fulfill a obligation aimed at serving the greater public good.> I do indeed object to jury duty, public school, taxes, licensing laws and the suffocating, bureaucratic, regulatory, busy-body, bossy-britches minutiae strangling modern societies, driving hordes to Prozac and Ritalin, not to mention the bottle, tv and comfort food. Most people in government and their fellow travellers like the system because they couldn't get a real job where people are free to choose whether to hire them, or pay them for a service, or product, or not. Government types have learned to avoid making products or services that people have to choose to buy because the economy goes into nose-dive and it's embarrassing to have pathetic goods and services laughed at while free enterprise people are zooming around in Lexus luxury and Dell delights. They know instinctively that they are only fit to boss people around. See Case Study: "USA vs USSR" for proof. Conscription is different from taxation and regulation in that generally, everyone shares equally in taxation on goods and incomes - they don't pull your name out of a hat. Conscription is targeted at males [sexual discrimination - females are useless at fighting], the young [old people are blind, slow and stupid], the fit [cripples are rejected], the poorly connected [President AWOL gets a cushy number] and by lottery [and absurd way to decide who gets punished]. If taxation was done by lottery, applied only to old, rich, females, maybe I'd agree with you that conscription is a good idea. Young, poor, males are discriminated against too much. Old, rich, women need to pull their weight too, and they have a lot of it to pull. Conscript them for a change. Libertarian rulz ok, Mqurice [Go on, ask me, doitdoitdoit - how will we fund the necessary public goods?]