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To: Ilaine who wrote (48196)	6/1/2004 9:52:34 PM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 794181

You can believe that what the perverts at Abu Ghraib were doing was morally repugnant and at the same time recognize that Big Media blew its significance way out of proportion for political reasons. Nothing inconsistent or hypocritical there at all.

To: Ilaine who wrote (48196)	6/1/2004 9:57:20 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794181

Interesting article, CB. However, if he means to infer by "Jacksonian" a way of warfare that Jackson actually supported, allowed or did, then his statement "The fiercest Jacksonian outrage is reserved for enemies who are deemed to be dishonorable—that is, those who fight contrary to the recognized rules of war. Ordinary opponents, who honor longstanding traditions such as the flag of truce, and who treat prisoners humanely, are entitled to be treated in the same fashion" is wrong. Jackson didn't care about honor among Indians. When white Georgians decided that good farmland that had been ceded by treaty to the Cherokee in previous decades ought to be theirs and got the Georgia legislature to agree, the Cherokee disagreed. They hired a white lawyer to take their case, which got all the way to the Supreme Court. The SC agreed with them, but Jackson refused to honor the decision, allowing the GA legislature to confiscate the land. Then he sent troops to GA to lead the Cherokee to mosquito infested land in Kansas, then the dumping ground for Indians who were on land that white people wanted. The Trail of Tears ensued, where more than half of those who began the long journey died before even reaching Kansas. Others who refused to go to Kansas and ran away were killed in Georgia. What Moser doesn't say is that Jacksonians have a way of rationalizing their actions so that no matter what they do they become virtuous. A trait that continues today.

To: Ilaine who wrote (48196)	6/2/2004 2:52:29 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794181

Four dominant schools of thought: Hamiltonian, Wilsonian, Jeffersonian, and Jacksonian. CB, Good piece. I've got the Scots-Irish frontier Indian-fighter in my family tree. We still have his saber from the Blackhawk War. I guess you could say that the Jacksonians do the dirty work. Then the other groups gradually resume control, bemoan the mess that was created. But they benefit from the results. And that's how I think it will go now. Either Kerry will win, or else we'll have a reconstituted Bush administration without Cheney/Rumsfeld and their neocon buddies. The mess will be tidied up. But the world will benefit from the results of getting rid of Saddam. -Snow