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To: Win Smith who wrote (135507)6/3/2004 6:20:56 PM
From: Valley Girl  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Agreed on geothermal - there's just not enough sites good enough for large scale use, though I agree with the previous post that it will work as a (small) part of a checkerboard solution.

I've heard the economic argument against nuclear power before, and it's hard to accept. I can't help thinking that a lot of the "cost" is actually caused by delays and red tape as activists do everything possible to block construction. If a construction project that's supposed to take 2 years takes 10 instead, that delays the payoff enough to make a huge difference in ROI terms; during the time the project's delayed, you effectively have capital tied up in an asset that's not producing anything. If new shopping malls were opposed with anything like the same ferocity, they too could be rendered "uneconomic". But hey, don't believe me - the best argument I have are the Japanese and French programs. France gets 78% of her electricity from nukes, and is a net exporter of electricity. That's a pretty good indication that it's practical.



To: Win Smith who wrote (135507)6/3/2004 7:01:28 PM
From: cosmicforce  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi WinSmith!

As an advocate of geothermal, California is the world's largest producer. We shouldn't diss any part of the solution. Wind is great. So is tidal - a form of hydroelectric - and we have barely scratched that.

Electrolytic production of H2 at elevated temperatures (~600 degC, I believe) is so efficient that is roughly comparable to battery storage.

My view of this is that government seeds investment by nurturing these industries with tax breaks. You'd see Exxon-Mobil running for them if they got a 5 year profit window with no taxation. Let's give it a try.



To: Win Smith who wrote (135507)6/3/2004 7:01:31 PM
From: Ish  Respond to of 281500
 
Geeze Win, you sound like the we're gonna run out of any kind of energy person. And it's the fault of conservatives. Care to give a positive solution?



To: Win Smith who wrote (135507)6/3/2004 10:34:00 PM
From: John Soileau  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Pebble bed modular reactors are the best bet I've seen:
pbmr.com

Cheap, safe, fast build, small footprint (3 fit on a soccer field). The US needs to be in the forefront, let's not let Old Europe beat us on this technology.

John