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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (135875)	6/7/2004 1:42:36 AM
From: dumbmoney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

No, I think 'our' bombing takes great care not to blow up families at pizzerias. Some care, but not great care. In the Iraq war, for example, there were dozens of bombing raids aimed at "leadership targets". None of them killed the targets - a 0% success rate - and a large number of civilian casualties resulted.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (135875)	6/7/2004 1:42:52 AM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The reason that we can't have a more nuanced conversation of the merits and faults of both sides is that you have consistently failed to take the first necessary step of noticing that the two sides are different. Different in purpose, different in method. I 'have consistently..."??? This is the first time I've posted anything on the subject. How have I "consistently" anything? <<There will be a point (probably after a regime change in Israel) where a reasonable leader will take a longer look and try to understand the bigger picture>> Shamir, Rabin, Perez, Netanyahu, Barak, Sharon. In the last 15 years there have been six Israeli prime ministers. On the Palestinian side, it has been Arafat all the way. Why are you so convinced that a new Israeli PM is what's needed? Wouldn't it be a change to see what a new Palestinian leadership might do or say? Just right off the bat, a new Palestinian leadership would get some benefit of the doubt - its promises wouldn't have been alredy proved totally worthless - wouldn't that be an improvement? Don't you think some Palestinian democracy, much desired by the Palestinians, according to Shikaki's polls, would be a change for the better? What does it matter who leads Israel while Arafat still controls the guns and money? Interesting that you chose to leave out the part of my post where I also said that it will probably take the removal of Arafat. I guess you can present a stronger argument when you take your "opponents" words out of context. I'm not really surprised. It fits with your whole myopic approach.