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To: Win Smith who wrote (135988)	6/8/2004 4:09:21 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Iraq is going better now. Both the new pm and president are making contributions. The disbanding of the militias is a good thing and the outlaw status of the ones which dont is also good. Folks continue to dies there, its true and numbers may rise but the UN is about to give sanction to the post 6/30 setup and this is a good thing. It may not work. Iraq pacification was much harder and much different than anticipated. I cannot tell you now what my answer would be about going to war in the first place given whats happened. Perhaps we could have solved the problems--perhaps we should have shown more patience. Without wmds, it would be hard to make the case to me because that was my chief reason for supporting our policy. But here we are now. Things are going better albeit with continued violence. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel and we should give our country and the new iraqi regime the benefit of the doubt, dont you think?? Before you answer let me scream for awhile. mike

To: Win Smith who wrote (135988)	6/8/2004 11:31:41 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Tortured WWII analogistics have long been a staple here, the primary variant being that insufficient enthusiasm for W's war made one akin to Chamberlain, I think. Y'know.. maybe if Chamberlain had spent a bit more time, like Churchill, in trying to learn from how WWI began, he would have been more inclined to oppose Hitler forcefully, and probably saving tens of millions of lives in the process.. History is there to be learned from. The reason we have situations like the one in Iraq are because people like you DELIBERATELY IGNORE history, or more appropriately, how politically ambitious individuals with delusions of past conquest, can plunge this world into turmoil and challenge the very institutions we cherish in the free world. Now, like a horse, people can only lead you to the fountain of historical wisdom. But we obviously cannot force you to drink... And my impression of you is that of a intellectually hydrophobic individual. Hawk