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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (48749)	6/10/2004 1:08:20 PM
From: redfish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

We are between a rock and a hard place there. Either we keep supporting corruption, or we get an alternative regime that has a grudge against us. Looks just like Iran and the Shah.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (48749)	6/10/2004 1:30:40 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

"this Saudi extended royal family is the most corrupt leader regime in modern history and they are USGovt's best friends" I disagree. The Saudi extended family is composed of many spoiled and pampered people. They definitely behave with economic corruption within the Kingdom. In the mean time we have influence that contributes to this. On the one hand we encourage them to buy western products rather research, develop and manufacture in their own interests. The results are that, what is cool and useful in the west is popular in Arabia, where it may or may not have been engineered in their best interests. Along with this, they have furthered their dependency by having several generations of people raised in a culture in which they pay for goods and services because of who they believe they are. Who they have become is indebted to the west, and dependant on every kind of servant. They must keep selling oil to pay for their lifestyle because they have no other options and they are not changing as a culture. We are beginning to see some efforts to construct a western style business bureaucracy but it is mostly for appearances to appease the masses who are becoming more and more unsettled with the corrupt system. The system itself is corrupt because the Saudi family is treated as a special class, its almost pharonic. The Saudi leaders attempt to provide a just system but their, infighting and their extended clan screws it up for them. As far as Kingdoms go, they do as good as any. However, there are much more corrupt leader regimes. I believe Khadafi is more tyrannical, for example.

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (48749)	6/10/2004 1:48:37 PM
From: Proud Deplorable	Respond to of 89467

Bin Laden is a HERO......................... to the majority of citizens of the Arabian Peninsula. America will get what it deserves for its campaign to create gulags around the world. What you said about them not attacking the oil infrastructure is the unwritten story. It will happen at the approriate time just as its happening in Iraq. Its the trump card. It just depends on whether the Americans accept the ouster of the Saudis without invading. If they invade The Arabian Peninsula the fields will be destroyed as they were in Kuwait. But the Americans will NEVER invade because they cannot win there. BTW Jim, Vancouver home prices are starting to crack. I just received a phone call from a realtor with a PRICE REDUCTION on a UBC condo. This a definite turn from a month ago whenpeople were outbidding each other. Sydney home prices have tumbled 12.9% in the last month. ------------- House prices fall, but experts disagree on numbers By Aileen Keenan Property Editor May 27, 2004 Page Tools Email to a friend Printer format Related Going down Further signs of a slump in the residential property market have emerged, with a major research company reporting that Melbourne house and unit prices tumbled in the March quarter. Yet there is wide disagreement on the extent of the fall. According to Sydney-based Australian Property Monitors, Melbourne had the worst performing property market of all capital cities between January and March this year. APM reported yesterday that Melbourne's median house price fell 12.9 per cent, with Sydney the next worst performer, dropping 7.5 per cent. But figures from the Real Estate Institute of Victoria paint a far less dramatic picture. The REIV says Melbourne's median house price fell just 0.8 per cent in the March quarter. Institute chief executive Enzo Raimondo said its data was provided by its member agents, and represented about 60 per cent of market activity. Louie Christopher, research director at APM, said the company's data included both auction results and information from the Victorian Valuer-General, representing about 55 per cent of sales. Advertisement Advertisement According to APM, Melbourne's median house price dropped from $310,000 to $270,000 in the March quarter, while Sydney's eased from $497,500 to $460,000. Median prices in Melbourne's suburban apartment market fell 8.7 per cent in the March quarter from $276,000 to $252,000 - also the sharpest fall of any city - resulting in a yearly decline of 2.3 per cent, said APM. But Melbourne's inner-city unit market was hardest hit, recording a decline of 8.8 per cent in the year to March 31, according to APM. Over the same 12 months, Melbourne's median house price had risen 3.2 per cent, while Sydney's had gone up 13.6 per cent. Despite indications that prices have peaked, Australia's home building boom refuses to die. Figures released yesterday show home construction edged up to set a new record in the March quarter. The Bureau of Statistics estimates that home building activity rose 0.1 per cent in the quarter, surprising many who expected a decline. The figures showed a 0.7 per cent fall in Victorian home building, according to Housing Industry Association economist Harley Dale. But in a further sign of more money being poured into housing, the Reserve Bank reported that investors increased their housing debts by $4 billion in the March quarter, an annualised growth rate of 11 per cent. - with Tim Colebatch

To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (48749)	6/10/2004 3:48:42 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

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