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To: ManyMoose who wrote (582714)	6/13/2004 9:53:57 PM
From: Bearcatbob	Respond to of 769670

I support drilling in ANWAR. Banning it is ridiculous. No one sees it. No one visits it. The opposition only wants an emotional issue. They get the liberal press to support thier claims against big oil - what is best for America is irrelevant to them. It is all about the issue. On the kerry board the leader admits he lies for his/her perception of the desired result. ANWAR is a perfect example of distortion for self promotion. Banned in Boston, Bob

To: ManyMoose who wrote (582714)	6/13/2004 9:57:01 PM
From: exdaytrader76	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Does your rule hold true in Haiti? They have major problems. azcentral.com Floods force tough talk on Haiti's deforestation Associated Press Jun. 3, 2004 MAPOU, Haiti - Named after a sacred tree in the voodoo religion, this Haitian village has few remaining mapou trees and a scant number of others on its surrounding mountains. When floods tore through town last week, many survived by clinging to roots, branches and trunks. But it was the overall absence of trees that made the onslaught so deadly. At least 1,700 people died, half in the area around Mapou. "We know we need trees, but we also need to eat and to cook," 87-year-old Philis Milfort said. With no tree roots to hold soil on the mountains, the torrential rainwater barreled down unchecked, collecting silt, gravel and boulders that slammed into villages. There, the floodwaters gathered new weapons in the form of aluminum roofs and other debris. More than 90 percent of Haiti is deforested, in large part because most of its 8 million people use charcoal to cook. There's no electricity outside major cities and towns. Government leaders met Wednesday, looking for ways to protect the environment as activists held a telethon to raise money for victims. Aid workers warned that hundreds of villagers remain at risk from dams that could burst if a hurricane strikes. Possibilities include importing propane or wood.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (582714)	6/15/2004 7:56:19 PM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

Yes, I've been persuaded that drilling could be accomplished without real harm to that pristine area. Of course, there are other avenues to pursue like alternative energy research to diminish the country's dependence on Saudi oil. The government could have requested yrs ago that Americans sell their humungous SUVs. If everyone was not trying to protect themselves from other tank-like vehicles on the highways, we would consume far less fuel.

To: ManyMoose who wrote (582714)	6/15/2004 10:06:19 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Ooh. Very nice to see this. And you are absolutely correct. In fact, I agree with your entire post. This "balance" principle also applies to very many areas other than ecology. We may not like where we are in the equations to which you refer, but the balance exists nevertheless and it just will not do to think of it in our traditional terms of "right" and "wrong." In nature, they are largely different things. I have tried hard to get folks to see this because knowing it may help us posit how we might negotiate transitions from one part of the equation to the next, remaining in the parts that are naturally compatible with our biological comfort and health. But few wish to hear it. To be sure, nature will just keep doing her thing, forcefully seeking and finding equilibrium, putting us where we belong in the equation regardless of how painful the transitions will be.