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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tejek who wrote (582756)	6/14/2004 12:57:34 AM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Yes, in the privacy of the police station. Well it was done in the privacy of the station, hidden - in the bathroom. Few others knew about it. It was certainly nothing like what went on there. They are afraid to get involved just as Americans are afraid to get involved. Well, the guy died because he looked "Western." He didn't die for any other reason. That is why the muslim interviewed in the article we are discussing said he avoids Westerners. This guy is profiling, pure and simple. And it is valid. He knows that the war is essentially about islam versus the civilized world and to preserve his life he is profiling everyone who looks civilized whether they are or not. That is reasonable and it is the basis of the current war. Everyone is lying about this but the muslims. The terrorists have weapons......people can get killed. Its human nature to be afraid in a situation like that whether you are Muslim or American but of course, you interpret in the worst possible way. I interpret it in the way it essentially works. The people were all standing around, looking on, very near. The victim could actually talk with them. They were already there on the scene and did nothing. The victims could not blend in and become one of them, purely because they did not look muslim. This is the essential basis of the conflict. It is a cultural/religious war in which everyone knows the truth, but only one side is acknowledging it. That is why 800 Americans are dead in Iraq and while tens of thousands of others are dead across the world. Either the West will be force to the truth, or it will be savaged. The choice will be made. And why are Americans still in SA? The State Dep't has been saying for months now for all Americans to leave SA. I don't think they were Americans. I think they were British. Their country didn't matter here, pal. They were westerners, likely white, but whether white or not, they clearly were not muslim-looking. And they died for it. And of course you have forgotten how the Iraqis helped save Jessica Lynch. Didn't forget it. My position never has been that all muslims are murderous. Undoubtedly some are not. My position is that so relative few muslims are willing to stand against the murderers amidst them, indeed they largely even harbor them and cheer for them, that it is impossible to know the good from the bad. Since so many muslims are murdering across the world and in the name of their religion, then it is reasonable to profile against them on the basis of their murdering, which is their religion. This is prudent because where death is concerned, you don't get a second chance. Sir, with all due respect, its already exploding. Iraq has opened a pandora's box. Well you have no respect due you at all because you have apparently forgotten the 3000 friggin' innocent people murdered by muslims long before Iraq. You have forgotten the many tens of thousands murdered long before Bush was even considered for president. I personally got hit by these savages, both at my home and near my home in Virginia and you folks are treating it as if its Bush's fault when the muslims are clearly responsible. The Pandora's Box was opened a long time ago. You just are lying to yourself, just as I was lying prior to 911. Well, now I am no longer willing to lie. I see clearly that the war is already on and it is a matter of the islam warring against the West. We will acknowledge this sooner or later - whether we wish to do it or not. Many said that would happen before the war......it is now a fait accompli. What a twit. It was happening before the war. You were just intentionally blind to it. You are still intentionally blind to it. Even 3000 murdered people wasn' enough to open your eyes. Then die. Things will get worse before they get better. 3000 murdered, and you are talking about things getting worse. It is for that reason they will get worse. They need not get worse. But to stop it, America is going to have to cause a stunning amount of pain. If she is unwilling to cause it, then she will be forced to endure it. There are no other options. I'm the frigging twit? It happened in an American police station. Why didn't some cops help him? Because the perps did their dirty deed hidden in the bathroom, not publicly in the streets. yes. You are a friggin' twit - clearly so. My God, are you as dumb as a door knob? Yes. Your god is undoubtedly as dumb as a door knob. And no one saw them drag him behind the truck for miles while he became dismembered. It takes a while for a body to become dismembered even when its dragged behind a truck. How much do you want to bet people saw it and did nothing about it? It happened in a back woods road. And whether someone saw it is not the point. It did not happen with people just standing around, looking on right next to the victim a he pleaded with them for aid. You are friggin' blind - intentionally blind. Well, die then. Do I really need to find you a crime that happened in broad daylight where people did not respond? Yes, one where people just stood near the victim as he pleaded with them in the name of their mutually shared non-islamic religion for aid and where not one soul helped. Find that. When you do, point out the basis of this inhuman isolation. That will be the basis of this war. That is my point. Now you go ahead and find it. This is not top secret stuff and does happen from time to time. I know you've heard about such incidents.........we all have. I have not heard anything like this. I have heard of people screaming for help while others hurried away in fear. But I have never heard of two guys getting savaged and murdered while people stood right nearby and watched as one pleaded to them for help in the name of their religion. If you find that, then the basis of the isolation will be the true basis of this war. Find it. I am very curious to see if I am right. Please do this research for me. I saw an illegal get beat up by the cops in broad daylight. There were 4 cops to one small guy. No one interceded but me........and I was told to back off or I would go to jail. It happens more than we like to think it happens. Oh please. The cops may have been doing their job. The guy may have been resisting. Besides, you're a friggin' leftist. No dang body can trust you here. Look.......you go ahead and have your war but keep the rest of us out of it. What an idiot. 911 proved I can't even keep myself out of the war, so I certainly will not waste time and energy trying to keep your stupid butt out of it.

To: tejek who wrote (582756)	6/14/2004 1:03:24 AM
From: Red Heeler	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Hey, try this: They condemn themselves because of all the allegedly "good muslims" standing around watching those guys get murdered and savaged by muslims, not a single one of them offerred to help. Since there is no way to tell the alleged good muslims from the bad ones, and since the bad ones are murdering with such high frequency all over the world, including right here in our front yards, prudence demands we assume all are bad until we know differently. Becomes: They condemn themselves because of all the allegedly "good prison guard troops" standing around watching those guys get tortured and savaged by prison guard troops, not a single one of them offered to help. Since there is no way to tell the alleged good prison guard troops from the bad ones, and since the bad ones are torturing with such high frequency all over the world, including right there in Guantonimo Bay, prudence demands we assume all are bad until we know differently. Amazing, ain't it? CC