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To: alan w who wrote (37725)	6/16/2004 1:02:49 AM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

What do you think becomes of our collective conscious (soul) after we die? It's not in the grave. "21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. 23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: 24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you. 25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;" Philippians 1 "Death is what Christ is bringing us out of. But each in his own order(1 Corinthians 15:23, 1 Timothy 2;5&6). The body of Christ during the ages, the rest at the consummation of the ages." Alan It sounds like Paul is saying that to depart is to be with Christ. Could this be because that Christ has already paid the price of sin and that our souls no longer have to wait for the sacrifice that Christ gave, once and for all, upon the Cross of Calvary? James

To: alan w who wrote (37725)	6/16/2004 11:03:51 AM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

You are welcome Alan. I knew this was something you and I disagree about and since I find Sproul's teaching to be clear and well presented I thought you might be interested. Mom's are great aren't they? You will always be her baby. The wages of sin are indeed death, but "death" has a basic meaning of separation. In the case of physical death there is a separation between body and spirit. Spiritual death is the separation between God and the individual. "Life" of course has the opposite connotation, so eternal life can be seen as eternally being with God as well as eternally being reunited with our bodies at the resurrection. So...I think it is important to understand what kind of death is being talked about in the context of each particular passage. All people will be resurrected and in that sense death will be abolished. However there is a clear distinction that is made between those who are resurrected to eternal "life" (an eternal relationship with God) and those who are resurrected to eternal punishment, which seems to include not just separation, but also conscious suffering of the eternal wrath of God. "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." Matt 25:46 See also(Dan 12:2; John 5:29; Acts 24:15) And (Matt 19:29; John 3:15f, 36; 5:24; 6:27, 40, 47, 54; 17:2f; Acts 13:46, 48; Rom 2:7; 5:21; 6:23; Gal 6:8; 1 John 5:11)