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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rock_nj who wrote (7054)	6/17/2004 7:45:27 AM
From: LPS5	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

It's pure politics and influence peddling. Exactly the sort of things Libertarians can't stand about government. What we can't stand about government is that it is, whether accidentally or purposely, an instrument of coercion. As for "pure politics" (?) and "influence-peddling," you're obviously not at all against those concepts: you're explicitly endorsing them in your suggestion that we don't cease giving Israel billions in financial aid, but that we simply tie it to different goals. My argument is that since we do have this longstanding policy of subsidizing Isreal... [sic] "But it's always been that way..." ...perhaps we could use that money as a carrot to entice the Isrealies [sic] to come to a peace settlement with the Palestinians. It's a ridiculous concept, especially if you consider that various sides in the conflict swear, and are undoubtedly certain in their own minds, that the other side is to blame. I note in particular that you had no answer to my previously-posed question - what do you think the average Palestinian on the street would say to your 'keep-the-gravy-train-rolling' plan? You can't, won't, or don't seem to grasp that by taking any side, no matter how associated or tied to whatever high-minded ideal, you create an enemy somewhere else. (That, incidentally, succinctly characterizes the redistributionalist, welfare statist's mindset.) Worst of all, in doing so you're actively seeking to tie me and anyone else who wants nothing to do with their wholesale bloodbath directly to it against my, and I daresay "our", will. No one is stopping you from sending your money to Israel, or any of its supporting/advocacy groups. Why do you seek to steal, and/or support government's use of force, from/against me? One question does arise in my mind from our exhange [sic] on this issue. Just one? Do you support the war on terrorism? I support certain aspects of it. In general, though, I think a war against "terror" has the same prospects for success as "wars" on poverty, drugs, or boredom. [I]t certainly is in our interest to put pressure on Isreal [sic] to come to a peace agreement with the Palestinians. In your opinion, you mean. I don't care if they keep fighting, or smoke the ole peace pipe tomorrow. But if it is in our interest: what better pressure could be brought than the prospect of having no annually-provided windfall to look forward to? The ongoing conflict and our support for Isreal [sic] hightens our threat of terrorism from radical [A]rabs angry at our Isreal [sic] policies and their perceived oppression of the Palestinians. And thusly, you approve of continuing to support Israel. LOL! Certainly settling the Palestinian conflict should be an intregal [sic] part of the war on terrorism. Interesting comment, leading me to the following question: Who, in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, are the terrorists? LPS5