SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: epicure who wrote (136953)6/18/2004 4:06:24 PM
From: Andrew N. Cothran  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Friday, Jun 18, 2004 3:47 PM


Note what the NYT said about Germany in 1946....
Part of a transcript of GWB's remarks last night in Spokane, and today at Ft. Lewis, WA...

>>>>>>>>Let me read you something I think you'll find interesting from The New
York Times. (Laughter.) Now, wait, wait a minute, wait. This was in -- no -
- in 1946. (Laughter.) It was a great year. (Laughter.) I was born that
year. (Laughter.) Anyway, I just want you to read this -- I mean, I want you
to hear this as I read it: "Germany" -- this is 18 months after the fall of
Berlin -- 18 months after the fall of Berlin -- "Germany is a land in an acute
stage of economic, political, and moral crisis. The basic elements of
recovery and peace are lacking. European capitals are frightened by the
prospect of a German collapse. In every military headquarters, one meets
alarmed officials doing their best to deal with the consequences of the
occupation policy that they admit has failed."
Now, that was a pessimistic view of the future for Germany. Fortunately,
my predecessors were not pessimistic people. Fortunately, they had great
faith in the power of freedom to change societies. Fortunately, they
understood that even though times were difficult, that if they were determined
and strong and clear-sighted in the vision of a free society, ultimately, a
free society would emerge.<<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>>One of the lessons of September the 11th is that when we see a threat, we
must take it seriously. We can no longer assume oceans protect us. If we see
a threat materializing overseas, we must take every threat seriously, before
it's too late. That's one of the really important lessons of that -- of that
day.

I saw a threat in Iraq. I looked at the intelligence, and I saw a threat.
The United States Congress, Republicans and Democrats, looked at the very same
intelligence, and they saw a threat. The United Nations Security Council
looked at the intelligence, and it saw a threat. And there's a reason why we
saw threats. Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who tortured his own
people, who opened mass graves for innocent Iraqis and filled them, who
harbored terrorists, who provided safe haven for people like Zarqawi who still
kills in Iraq today, who used weapons of mass destruction on his own people.

Yes, we saw a threat, and I remembered the lessons of September the 11th, that
we must take threats seriously.
So I went to the United Nations, and I said, here's a threat. And
unanimously, they said, you're right. Mr. Saddam Hussein, disarm, disclose
and disarm, or face serious consequences. When America speaks, we better mean
what we say. When we say, serious consequences, we mean serious consequences.
Saddam Hussein, once again, defied the free world. I had a choice to make:
to trust the judgment of a madman, or defend America. Given that choice, I
will defend America every time. (Applause.)
And our troops have performed brilliantly. (Applause.) <<<<<<<<<



To: epicure who wrote (136953)6/18/2004 5:58:30 PM
From: Dr. Id  Respond to of 281500
 
Well, while I have gone through many colleges and failed to meet proselytizing profs- I'm glad to know they are out there.

In my courses, I try to stay away from politics. I once mentioned Ronald Reagan in the '80s when I was lecturing on dementia (it was obvious from his debates with Mondale in '84), and last quarter I mentioned doubya when I was talking about the bell curve and intelligence (and how he fell slightly to the left of the midpoint...)
Oh, and I mentioned several prominent members of the Bush Administration when I was lecturing on sociopathy.

Aside from that, I stay away from politics.

:)