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Politics : Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the New World Order -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Rock_nj who wrote (279)	6/22/2004 7:47:05 AM
From: LPS5	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 512

For all the years I've heard those strident "defenders of personal liberty" go on and on about the government interferring [sic] with their rights... Government isn't interfering with "our" rights, they're interfering with everyone's rights, and they always have - it's nothing new. Perhaps you're late in joining the game? Of course, there are sizable elements on the right who believe that the Patriot Act, trade protectionism, et al, are a reasonable price to pay for security; simultaneously, there are elements on the left who see taxation, antitrust, and governmental prohibitions on private discrimination as socially acceptable and not, in any way, tyrannical. ...they are amazingly quiet about the police state that is emerging over the past 3 years. Again, I must question your chromosome count. With respect - or disrespect, as it deserves - to your ridiculous, but characteristically uninformed comment that we have been "amazingly quiet": where exactly are you looking for an account of our comments and activity? If, as it suggests to me, you're basing that assessment on nightly visits to NBC, CBS, ABC, or CNN, it might surprise you to learn that whether we're doing something or not, we don't get a lot of coverage there. If you want to know what we're thinking, saying, and doing, go to the Libertarian Party website... lp.org ...or peruse some of the other sites devoted to Libertarian political thought. I still hear "Libertarians" talking about voting for George W. this fall, because he's the less [sic] of two evils[.] What Libertarians are you claiming to have heard talking about voting for GWB? Some of these people really don't have a clue. That's certainly true, but I'm not sure that such judgements can be left to someone who, among other things, recently postulated that the U.S. pay Israel $4 billion a year as a means of ending terrorism. LOL! If the Libertarians can't stomach the socialism put forth by the Dems... At least you admit that's what it is. Pure, unbridled socialism, although Republicans aren't by any means immune to that political inclination. ...they're better off voting for their own party or just staying home. I agree, and to me, that is the choice this season: vote for Bladnarik, or don't vote. Via the latter philosophy, voting at any rate lends credence to a busted system. Why vote? I, personally, was thrilled to see that the EU voter turnout a few weeks back was absolutely pathetic; people chose to stay home, watch football, and generally enjoy their free time. That voluntary disassociation from the political process bodes poorly for the state, which necessarily bodes well for liberty. Voting Republican is becoming akin to voting for facism [sic] and that's suppossedly [sic] a philosophy that is dimetrically [sic] opposed to libertarianism. Republicans and Democrats merely stand for different aspects of the same core statism; they differ only in their stated reasons for coercion against individual citizens. If Republicans - hypocrites, fascists and the like - are diametrically opposed to Libertarianism...a supposition I adhere to, incidentally...so too, equally, are Democrats: marauding socialists, freedom-pilfering social engineers, and - inasmuch as I've seen - too often, exceedingly emotional, weak-minded people. LPS5