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To: tejek who wrote (193174)	7/2/2004 6:41:48 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572208

Ted, Did you read Jefferson's letter? The irony is that back then most people in the colonies/first states were Christians. However, they were concerned that the Church of England would try to insert themselves into the gov't. That's why he was very clear that their should be a clear division between the two. Good to see that you know the context Today we need the separation of church and state even more because the religions in this country have multipied plus there are many more agnostics/atheists. Besides, its worked very well for over two hundreds year......why fix what's not broke. Just because there are more non-christians, there is no reason for the US Federal government to go around the country and knock over symbols of Christianity (like the Taliban government did to historical treasures they destroyed). Joe

To: tejek who wrote (193174)	7/2/2004 7:06:27 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572208

Did you read Jefferson's letter? The irony is that back then most people in the colonies/first states were Christians. However, they were concerned that the Church of England would try to insert themselves into the gov't. That's why he was very clear that their should be a clear division between the two. I'm fully familiar with the rationale. The fear, of course, was as you indicated -- that the Church of England would insert itself into government. But at the same time, religion continued to play a huge role in government. I'm not a religious individual. Like Jefferson and the others, I would not want a theocracy. But that does not extend to banning the Ten Commandments from a government building, or banning the use of the word "God" in a pledge. Where do we stop? Are you offended at the thousands of white crosses that appear in Arlington Cemetary? Should THEY be removed? Just a year ago, you were much more supportive of the separation of church and state. I still support it. I just don't believe these unreasonable actions, such as changing the LA logo, make any sense. It is liberal idiocy.

To: tejek who wrote (193174)	7/5/2004 3:32:00 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572208

Tejek, check this scary stuff out: "The Republican Party of Texas affirms that the United States of America is a Christian nation, and the public acknowledgment of God is undeniable in our history," reads the plank in the party's 2004 platform, which was recently adopted. Unreal. Is this even legal? story.news.yahoo.com What's even worse is the Republican Party ignored requests to respect other religions, dating back to 2002: DALLAS (Reuters) - A leading Jewish group on Tuesday asked the Republican Party in President Bush's home state of Texas to stop calling the United States a "Christian nation" in its platform. ... The Anti-Defamation League said the Texas Republicans should modify the language in their platform "to reinforce principles that unite our diverse nation." The group said that the party kept similar language in its platform in 2002. ========================================================== news.messages.yahoo.com by: deanpourmand@sbcglobal.net 06/23/04 01:53 am Msg: 290 of 607 2 recommendations Lets follow the foot step of Iranian, Israelis, Saudis and make US, a religious state, I am sure we will enjoy the same happyness they are enjoying. ======================================================== news.messages.yahoo.com 10 Signs You're A Chrisitan Fanatic by: sentient_amoeba 06/22/04 06:58 pm Msg: 42 of 607 29 recommendations 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving." 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian. ========================================================== news.messages.yahoo.com Re: Question to Cons by: gwbushjr_used_cocaine 06/22/04 11:32 pm Msg: 231 of 607 11 recommendations Then why did they <forget> to include this <fact> in the US Constitution? If they thought the US should be a Christian nation, then why does the US Constitution not mention it? =========================================================== Dear Texas GOP by: far_from_home_again 06/23/04 03:09 am Msg: 450 of 607 13 recommendations For many years as a Texan I have voted for and supported your party. I am writing to you today to inform you that I will not be voting for any members of your party this fall. The reasons for this are quite simple. First, your platform contains language calling this a "Christian nation". While I am a Christian myself, I am knowledgeable of U.S. history and I know this claim about ours being a "Christian nation" to be false. I cannot in good conscience vote for people who are so thoroughly ignorant of U.S. history. More importantly, your platform espouses a position which is in direct contradiction to the U.S. Constitution and the founding principles of this nation. I cannot vote for a party which willfully disregards our Constitution. One last thing: If you are seeking advice on establishing a "Christian nation" elsewhere, I would refer you to a group of people in Afghanistan known as the Taliban. They are very experienced at establishing oppressive religious theocracies, and I'm sure they can help you. Signed, far_from_home_again news.messages.yahoo.com =========================================================== Regards, Amy J