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To: Lane3 who wrote (52625)	7/3/2004 7:33:16 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793716

It seems to me that you are defending an anti- semitic comment by substituting an anti- American comment. I would find it an offensive allegation that the US was Poland's "puppetmaster". It implies an insidious domination of the other party, and therefore is a slam. I would require more substantiation than an observation that Poland seems eager to please. We had a great deal of support from former Eastern bloc countries, not just Poland. First, they are grateful to us for their liberation. Second, they consider the United States a force that checks the power of France and Germany to attempt to dominate the emerging EU, through its influence in NATO......

To: Lane3 who wrote (52625)	7/3/2004 12:15:20 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793716

Nader's comment was anti-semitic only if Nader is anti-semitic If that were the rule, we could all free ourselves from the bounds of racial sensitivity forever - look we're not prejudiced, we're just using those words, it's okay! Sometimes the only sensible approach is the "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..." approach. So what do nice people do when faced with making a legitimate observation that plays to an old prejudice Is calling Sharon a puppeteer and Bush a puppet really legitimate? Is this really an accurate criticism of the nature of the ties, or is Nader deliberately using inflammatory language that he knows full well play into ancient prejudices now being allowed to run free?

To: Lane3 who wrote (52625)	7/3/2004 12:59:33 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793716

I think Nader's comment WAS anti-Semitic, because the onus of continued unrest in Israel/Palestine is laid at the feet of Israel. Israel is accused of prolonging war and using Washington to do so. Nader doesn't say anything about Palestine prolonging war, or the nations which support Palestine prolonging war. It's all Israel's fault. Whereas, in truth, I, like the majority of Americans, believe that Palestine is more to blame, although I think both are to blame. Singling out one side as being solely to blame is irrational. If I said Palestine and its supporters are solely to blame, I think it would be fair to call me prejudiced in favor of Israel and against Muslim Arabs.

To: Lane3 who wrote (52625)	7/3/2004 1:08:17 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793716

I forgot to mention that the image of the "Jew puppet-master" has been an extremely common theme in anti-semitic imagery worldwide for centuries. Even if, assuming for the sake of the argument, that Nader was not using this image deliberately (which I don't believe for a second), there is no way he could not have known that it had this meaning. He's toast. He's as dead, politically, as Pat Buchanan is, as David Duke is, as George McGovern was. Maybe if he was black he could get away with it, as anti-Semitism is, unfortunately, acceptable to a lot of blacks. He'll still get the Chomskyite vote, they're anti-Semitic, too.