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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (50421)7/6/2004 3:50:18 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
"Tenet testimony is not fact, as you claim"

If that were true you would have a point. I included the
Tennet testimony as evidence of what he actually said
under oath. It was included to show that those in
the "Bush lied" crowd had to tell their own lies to make
their false assertions. Tenet's testimony was included
along with a massive amount of additional credible
information that also supported my POV. You have been
completely silent about all of that evidence.

Taken as a whole, the weight of the facts clearly,
factually & credibly supported my POV.

You on the other hand provided only your personal opinion.
While I respect your opinion, I cannot be swayed by it
when I know of significant factual & credible evidence
that stands in stark contrast to your personal opinion
sans any corroborating evidence.

It's that simple. You know what they say about opinions &
a$$holes..... everyone has one.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (50421)7/6/2004 10:36:14 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Back to the Garden

pimco.com

By Bill Gross
Investment Outlook
July 2004

<<...the global economy is indeed in my view, more vulnerable than it has been for the past 25-30 years. The economic and investment consequences appear to be as follows: real short-term rates kept too low will create asset bubbles and accelerating inflation. Real yields raised too high will pop existing asset bubbles and lead to economic recession...>>



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (50421)7/7/2004 8:54:08 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 89467
 
We are all doomed, doomed, doomed
Richard Daughty
...the angriest guy in economics
The Mogambo Guru
July 7, 2004

Something weird is going on. For one thing, one of the neighbors abruptly moved during the night, and for another thing the Treasury printed up and distributed $4.45 billion in real, ink-and -paper currency. I don't know if these two things have any connection with each other. But this is a big chunk of money all of a sudden, and I think the neighbor badly needed some money, because every time I saw him, I tried to borrow some money from him, and he always said he didn't HAVE any money! Coincidence? Maybe.

But lately things had been kinda nowhere as far as national debt is concerned. I mean, you hear about it, and you read about it, and you get hysterical about it, and you take the cushions from the couch and make a fort in the living room and kind of curl up in that cozy darkness into a tight little fetal position and whimper about it, but it is not really showing up in the figures. Then, Thursday, as I was waiting for some e-mail to download from some girl I never met who said she was a beautiful college coed and she has some "special" photographs of herself that she is just dying to send me as soon as I send her my credit card number, I absent-mindedly clicked the button that took me to the official National Debt figures provided by the government, and was astonished to see that the debt had ballooned to $7.274 trillion, up from $7.206 trillion, in one day. One day! $68 billion dollars in new debt in one freaking day!

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (50421)7/7/2004 6:24:49 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
WHO WAS BUSH'S BIGGEST FUNDRAISER IN 2000...?

quote.bloomberg.com

Ex-Enron Chief Lay's Indictment to Be Announced

<<...Lay, 62, a friend of President George W. Bush and a contributor to his political campaigns, will be charged with fraud and insider trading...>>

<<...Lay, who met privately with Vice President Dick Cheney in 2001 to discuss energy policy, helped raise $312,500 for President Bush's two Texas gubernatorial campaigns, according to the nonpartisan Texans for Public Justice. Enron and its employees contributed $113,800 to Bush's 2000 presidential campaign, Federal Election Commission Records show....>>

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***Early next year on the way out of the White House watch for Bushy to pardon his good friend Ken Lay.

-s2@StrangerThingsHaveHappened.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (50421)7/7/2004 6:55:01 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Sources: Lay Indicted in Enron's Collapse

apnews.myway.com

Jul 7, 5:02 PM (ET)

By KRISTEN HAYS

HOUSTON (AP) - Former Enron Corp. chairman and CEO Kenneth Lay has been indicted on criminal charges related to the energy company's collapse as a web of accounting schemes unraveled, sources close to the case told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Lay, the company's founder, was expected to surrender to federal authorities Thursday, the sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity. Two sources said the indictment against Lay, 62, was expected to be unsealed upon or shortly after his surrender to the FBI.

Prosecutors from the Justice Department's Enron Task Force presented an indictment to U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Milloy in Houston on Wednesday. At their request, the judge sealed both the indictment and an arrest warrant.

A hearing before Milloy was scheduled for late Thursday morning.

Michael Ramsey, Lay's attorney, didn't immediately return a call for comment. Lay has consistently maintained his innocence.

It was unclear specifically what charges Lay would face.

But the sources said they probably would allege he participated in hiding Enron's dire financial condition from investors, analysts and the public in the weeks before the energy company crumbled into bankruptcy in December 2001.

Prosecutors have aggressively pursued the one-time friend and contributor to President Bush who led Enron's rise to No. 7 in the Fortune 500 and resigned within weeks of its stunning failure. Barring last-minute delays, Lay is the 30th and highest-profile individual charged.

Enron had more than 20,000 employees worldwide before the company imploded amid revelations of hidden debt, inflated profits and accounting tricks.

The company's collapse led a series of corporate scandals that sent investors fleeing and sparked numerous investigations. Thousands of Enron's workers lost their jobs and stock fell from a high of $90 in August 2000 to just pennies.

The charges against Lay come 2 1/2 years after the federal government launched its painstaking investigation.

The indictment takes the task force to the top of the fallen company's former senior management. Former CEO Jeffrey Skilling and former top accountant Richard Causey are awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy, fraud and insider trading. Both pleaded innocent and are free on bond.

And waiting to testify for the prosecution is former finance chief Andrew Fastow, who pleaded guilty to two conspiracy counts in January. Fastow admitted to engineering partnerships and financial schemes to hide Enron debt and inflate profits while pocketing millions for himself.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (50421)7/7/2004 7:22:43 PM
From: T L Comiskey  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
A President Bush Economic Boom????
Marc Faber 07-Jul-04

It is with utmost interest that I watch the usually very upbeat news on CNBC. In fact, Mr. Kudlow and Mr. Cramer are extremely fitting commentators for the current economic and political environment. We have a righteous, intolerant and belligerent third rate intellectual who lives in a big white house, runs the world's largest economic and military power, and who has surrounded himself by some very shady characters who are also because of their complete military incompetence, and lack of any knowledge of history and understanding of geopolitical conditions very dangerous. At the same time, we also have the pleasure to regularly watch two fast-talking and squeaky clowns in the CNBC circus who, for the last few years, have given their upbeat views on any economic, financial and political issues. The “know it all” duo's advice has not been particularly rewarding for investors, and had you invested your money according to their “never in doubt” bullish mantra, your assets would be worth today at least 60% less than in 2000 (in terms of Euro or in a hard currency such as gold, they would be down in value by another 25%). But since poor advice is not only endemic to the two relentlessly irritating CNBC financial commentators but is almost a prerequisite for success in the financial service industry, we shall not hold it against them. Still we have a question relating to a recent statement by Mr. Kudlow, which somewhat surprised us, since Mr. Kudlow is not exactly born yesterday although some of his views could lead one to believe so. In a recent article he explained why “this Bush Boom is a lot like the Reagan Boom 20 Years Ago”.

Now, I have some reservations about this comparison for the following reasons. If you look at interest rates over the last 40 years or so, you will see that when, in 1980, Mr. Reagan became President of the US, rates were near their highs and since Mr. Volcker (then the Fed chairman) pursued at the time very tight monetary policies he managed to bring down the rate of inflation, and subsequently also interest rates, which then fell for the next 22 years (see figure below). Needless to say that whereas interest rates were sky high in 1980 and significantly above the rate of growth of nominal GDP, today the Fed Fund rate is significantly below the rate of nominal GDP, which suggests that short term interest rates can only rise if nominal GDP continues to expand, as Mr. Kudlow suggests with his “Bush Boom” fantasy.

Table 1: US Short Term Interest rates and Nominal GDP Growth

The tight monetary policies of Mr. Volcker in the late 1970s and early 1980s were evident from the fact that short-term interest rates were pushed above nominal GDP growth and above long term interest rates (see figure below) . This very tight monetary policy implemented by Paul Volcker is usually credited for having brought down the rate of inflation after 1980. However, it is my view that the rate of inflation would have come down regardless of monetary policies because strong price increases for all commodities between 1965 and 1980 had led to additional supplies, which after 1980 began to flood the market and depress prices. This was particularly true for oil, which had risen in price from $ 1.70 per barrel in 1970 to close to $ 50 per barrel in 1980. In addition, conservation efforts all over the world had curtailed demand. Finally, the fourth Kondratieff price wave, which had turned up in the 1940s was due to reach its plateau between 1975 and 1985, and then to turn down, since each phase of the long wave lasts between 22 and 30 years (according to Nikolai Kondratieff the ideal length of the long wave cycle, which consists of a rising and falling wave is between 45 and 60 years). Therefore, the combination of rising supplies, energy conservation, and diminishing purchasing power on the side of households (because of inflation exceeding nominal income gains) would have in the early 1980s - regardless of monetary policies - brought down the rate of inflation sooner or later. Nevertheless, it is clear that whereas monetary policies were very tight in the early 1980s (short term rates significantly above long term rates – see figure 2) today monetary policies are ultra expansionary and inflationary since short-term rates are not only below the rate of nominal GDP growth (see figure 1) but also significantly below long term interest rates (see figure 2).

Figure 2: Yield Spread between Short and Long Term Interest Rates

In addition, while we may argue about the severity and ultimate duration of the ongoing slowdown in the Chinese economy, it is clear that the incremental demand for commodities from China will at least support commodity prices above their level reached in 2001, when the price of most industrial commodities were 50% lower than they are today. I may add that by 2001, commodity prices had been in a bear market for the last 25 years, and had reached in real terms (adjusted for inflation) the lowest level in the history of capitalism (see figure below). In other words, even taking a negative view of the world's economic outlook, it would seem that the secular bear market in commodities, which began in 1980, has come to an end and that from here on we shall rather see higher than lower commodity prices. So, even a third rate economist should see the difference between today's situation and that of the early 1980s – this especially if he were optimistic about the global economy, which would sustain demand for raw materials. So, whereas in the early 1980s commodity prices and interest rates began to decline from a secular point of view, in the period 2001 to 2003, it would appear that commodities and interest rates have begun to rise.

Figure 3: Commodities in Real Terms

There are several more fundamental differences between the early 1980s, which led to the Reagan boom and today's economic conditions. When in 1980, Mr. Reagan became President of the US, the debt to GDP ratio stood at around 130% and was not meaningfully higher than in the 1950s. In fact, from the figure below, courtesy of Barry Bannister of Legg Mason in Baltimore, we can see that until the 1980s, one dollar of additional debt boosted GDP by about $ 0.70. But now, with debt at close to 330% of GDP, one dollar in additional debt only leads to an increase in GDP of about $ 0.25!

Figure 4: Total Credit Market Debt and GDP

We can, therefore, say that today, because of excessive debts in the system, debt growth and fiscal deficits are far less effective at stimulating the economy than they were at the time of President Reagan. In fact, I would argue that for monetary policies the “ Mother of all Monetary Tests ” is unfolding right now, as it may be that monetary stimulus is no longer going to boost the economy, but inflation alone, which would lead in a benign scenario to stagflation and in a worst case scenario to a inflationary depression a la 1980s in Latin America. (I admit that a deflationary recession/depression remains a possibility, although not a very likely one given the Fed's monetary policies, Mr. Greenspan's track record at tackling every economic discomfort with an additional injection of liquidity, and Mr. Bernanke's recent statements about the Fed's ability to print money.)

Another difference between the early 1980s and today's conditions relates to the US dollar. In the early 1980s the US dollar had become significantly undervalued following its steep decline against hard currencies after President Nixon had closed the gold window in August 1971 (see figure below). Today, however, the situation is fundamentally different. Whereas one could argue that the US dollar is about where it should be against the Euro, the dollar is certainly grossly over-valued against the Asian currencies. A sustained dollar rally such as occurred in the period 1980 to 1985 is, therefore, given also the large external deficits of the US, almost out of the question (see figure below). More to the point, whereas in the early 1980s a dollar rally unfolded at the same time the US had growing trade and fiscal deficits, today even larger trade and fiscal deficits are more likely to lead to additional dollar weakness – not strength. I may add that I feel that the dollar has about the same downside risk against the Asian currencies as it had in 1971 against the European currencies, against which it then declined by 70% in the course of the 1970s and led to its early 1980 under-valuation.

Figure 5: Trade Weighted Dollar 1980-2004

Needless to say that additional dollar weakness would add to inflationary pressures and intensify the trend toward higher interest rates.

The last fundamental difference between the early 1980s and today concerns not only the stock market and housing market in the US, but also most stock and property markets around the world. In 1982, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was no higher than it had been in 1954, and adjusted for inflation it was down by 70%. How inexpensive equities were relative to the overall price level and especially against commodities is evident from the gold to Dow Jones Ratio. In 1980, with one ounce of gold you could have bought one Dow Jones Industrial Average. Today, however, it takes about 25 ounces of gold to buy one Dow Jones Industrial Average, suggesting that US equities are not particularly cheap (or very expensive, as I believe, compared to gold). Moreover, in 1982, stocks sold below their book value and had a dividend yield of 7%! Compare that with today! Equally property markets around the world were depressed in the early 1980s, due to sky-high interest rates. Today, property markets, especially in the Anglo-Saxon countries all exhibit symptoms of bubbles.

Finally, in the early 1980s, consumers had a pent-up demand for goods and services following the 1980/81 and 1982 recession. Their saving rate was above 9%, whereas today, we have no pent-up demand whatsoever, and there are on the household level practically no savings. So, whereas in 1982, the then existing pent up demand led to a strong consumption led recovery, today, the over-leveraged consumer may actually, as some recent economic indicators seem to indicate lead – if not to a consumption slump – then at least to a slowdown in the growth of consumer expenditures.

In sum, we can see that today's economic conditions are widely different than what we had in the early 1980s. In particular, today's debt load, the vulnerable position of the US dollar against the Asian currencies, the long-term price cycle in terms of commodities and interest rates likely to have bottomed out and having embarked on a rising trend, the consumer's debt load, and stock valuations are such that a sustainable healthy recovery is unlikely to shape our future. In fact, I would argue that conditions are now so blatantly different that a “Bush Economic Boom” is almost certainly to end up in a “Bush Economic Slump ” perfectly matching the “Bush Military Calamity”.

gloomboomdoom.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (50421)7/8/2004 12:16:08 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Kerry Picked a Winner
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by Robert Kuttner

Published on Wednesday, July 7, 2004 by the Boston Globe

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A LOT OF Democrats breathed a big sigh of relief yesterday when John Kerry named John Edwards as his running mate.

At the most obvious level, Edwards brings two things that Kerry has sometimes lacked. He brings personal excitement plus a capacity to connect with nonrich voters on pocketbook issues. If Kerry sometimes seems patrician and aloof, Edwards has a common touch.

More than any Democrat in the vice presidential field, Edwards is able to enlist culturally conservative, white, working class voters who may be gun-toting, abortion-hating, Arab-bashing, tub-thumping fundamentalists but who know that the economy is not delivering for them. At least some of these voters are willing to give some Democrats a hearing some of the time. That is how Edwards managed to win a Senate seat in the Bible Belt.

It's unlikely that a Kerry-Edwards ticket will carry North Carolina, and it may not carry any of the South save perhaps Florida and Tennessee. But that same capacity to reach culturally conservative but economically wounded voters will make a big difference in parts of Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Michigan, and Illinois, which share those traits with the Deep South.

Beyond the value of Edwards to the ticket, the choice says something good about Kerry's judgment. It's no secret that Kerry was initially cool to Edwards. Kerry had better personal chemistry with Dick Gephardt, who superficially brought the same appeal to working-class voters. But almost any Democrat whom Kerry asked told him that Gephardt, one of the most decent people in American public life, looked like yesterday's politics. Even his stalwart labor friends did not go to the mat for Gephardt. Also, by placing a respectable second, Edwards earned the spot in a way that Gephardt hadn't.

If Kerry had gone with Gephardt, it would have reinforced the damaging sense that Kerry is cautious and conventional. By selecting Edwards, he picks a younger, more dynamic running mate and demonstrates enough self-confidence not to worry that Edwards's own charisma might upstage Kerry himself.

Personal chemistry, surely, is no basis for choosing a running mate. John Kennedy could not abide Lyndon Johnson but recognized (correctly) that he needed Johnson for the 1960 ticket. Nor was there any love lost between Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in 1980. But Reagan, as an ultra-conservative, knew he needed someone from the party's moderate, Brahmin wing.

What of Edwards himself? His biggest liability is relative inexperience. But that didn't stop the Eisenhower-Nixon ticket in 1952 (Nixon was a 39-year-old first-term senator adored by the party's right wing). Nor did it stop Bush-Quayle in 1988 (Bush was a fogey and a moderate; Quayle, an obscure junior senator, represented conservatism and youth). You will also hear, endlessly, that Edwards's trial lawyer background will hurt him. Republicans, for at least 20 years, have tried to make trial lawyer a dirty word. They just don't get it. Corporate moguls who attend Bush fund-raisers may think personal injury lawyers are as hated on Main Street as they are in corporate boardrooms. But it plainly isn't so.

Lawyers like Edwards make a pretty penny for their troubles -- I would even agree that some are overpaid -- but mainly what they do is help ordinary people injured and maimed by corporate malfeasance to win some compensation. Republicans push "tort reform" to make it harder for ordinary Joes to collect and to punish personal-injury lawyers (who have an habit of contributing to Democrats). On balance, however, Edwards's trial lawyer identity will be another populist credential.

Which beings me, parenthetically, to filmmaker Michael Moore. The punditariat has been abuzz about Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11." Is it sheer demogoguery, or is Moore "our Rush Limbaugh," opening up space for more mainstream critics of Bush? But the larger point is that both the press and the vast majority of Democrats have done a lousy job at explaining to workaday Americans why George Bush doesn't serve their interests -- that he is a phony. Moore leaped into the vacuum, wielded the one weapon Bush can't deflect -- ridicule. Moore showed that many traditional working-class Americans, written off by conventional Democratic strategists as hopelessly pro-Bush, are engagable. Yes, Moore would have done it even more effectively and honorably with a little less conspiracy theory and fewer happy Iraqi children. But he gave many pro-Bush voters pause.

Edwards precisely brings this capacity -- and without Moore's excesses. His economic populism was something the Kerry campaign sorely needed. It reflects well on Kerry's leadership that he understood that.

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Robert Kuttner's is co-editor of The American Prospect.

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

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