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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (589987)	7/12/2004 4:03:33 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Isn't God always on our side? Regardless of who "we" are?

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (589987)	7/12/2004 4:41:08 PM
From: Steve Dietrich	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

<<The text is clear in two places, one of which Steven conveniently omits, that God Himself commanded this invasion..>> If you look at my original post on this passage to Srex, you'll see i quoted the entire passage which makes you, i guess, a liar. Why are you rightests so dishonest? Message 20291848 And secondly, this part shows Moses was thinking on his feet according to his understanding of God's will: 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle. 15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Moses made the call to execute the women and children prisoners, except for the little virgin girls whom they split up with the rest of the booty. And this of course is what i referred to, and quoted. Must you lie to make your case? Just a defect of the right? << If this God does not exist, then He may be safely ignored. But if He does exist, we ignore His wishes at our certain peril. I believe He exists, so I make it my business to hear what He is saying.>> Not only do you believe he exists, you believe you've correctly divined his will. These are two leaps of faith you make at your own peril. Steve Dietrich

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (589987)	7/12/2004 5:07:21 PM
From: Srexley	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

And this is a GREAT argument to not believe in the bible imo. - srexley "It is not even a great argument not to believe the Bible because what it does is assume man is more moral and more knowledgeable than God." - J. Pilch You are correct. My point really should have been worded that not believing the stories in the bible is an argument of sorts not to believe. That the stories are unbeleivable to someone could lead them to not believe in God in other words. That said, your rebuttal is accurate. I also am finding this feedback quite interesting. You refer to me as a non-beleiver, but I do believe in God and Jesus, but have trouble with literal interpretations of the bible. So stories to me that don't seem plausible or don't make sense make me question more than to re-affirm. When I tried reading the bible on my own, one of the reasons I stopped was it was actually leading me towards not believing instead of the other way around. It is quite interesting to have the stories explained by someone with a deep understanding of them. You are helping me to see that the stories could have happened more literally than I believed, while God could still be seen as a loving God.