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To: Neocon who wrote (140234)	7/14/2004 9:38:50 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Often times the problem with pre-college social sciences is that they just explore the "what" instead of the "why". I think this is a great mistake and leads to conclusion that they are useless.

To: Neocon who wrote (140234)	7/14/2004 1:06:17 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<Although there is no established connection between Saddam and 9/11, it is conceivable that a smoking gun will turn up in Iraqi documents. It is not a settled and indisputable fact, it is an allegation without substantiation.> No one "alleges" that Saddam was not involved in 911, there simply is nothing, no information and no reason, that would lead to the conclusion that he was in any way involved. The same is probably true about you. There is no information or reason to believe that you, Necon, were a perpetrator of 911. That again is not an allegation. You allege that Saddam was in some way involved -- and it is precisely this allegation of his involvement that is entirely without substantiation. If serious foreign policy decisions are based on allegations that are indeed pure speculation without foundation (or even logic), you have bad decisions and those decision-makers that need to be fired.

To: Neocon who wrote (140234)	7/14/2004 1:08:59 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Cleric's militia taking over Baghdad's largest neighborhood By Tom Lasseter Knight Ridder Newspapers BAGHDAD, Iraq - From directing traffic to organizing blood drives, the militia overseen by firebrand cleric Muqtada al Sadr is taking control of Baghdad's largest neighborhood even as Iraqi and U.S. officials demand that the group disband. realcities.com

To: Neocon who wrote (140234)	7/15/2004 2:39:17 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Neo, a LOT of people have trouble learning how to drive a car, what makes a healthy diet, how to read at newspaper level, and they read maps by turning them around so the road is aligned with the direction they are pointing. Not everyone has spare brain capacity to burn. And you propose to waste their time by telling them about the Renaissance sometime in the 12th century and a Magna Carter in the 10th, which was made in Virginia by Abraham Washington who was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. Don't forget to tell them about Gengkis and Kupe and what about the Lucasian maths guys and what they do. You might as well throw in Goedel and Karl Popper too. I bet King George II hasn't got a clue who wrote Habeas Corpses and so it's obviously no impediment to geopolitical activity to be in ignorance of all that old stuff. Apparently all one needs to do is pray and get the plan of action direct from source, though that's unnerving for we UnAmerican UnBelievers who have already got religious zealotry in the form of Islamic Jihad to deal with, not to mention a constant niggle of various Christian sects hassling normal humans. What matters is the here and now and how to get along in it. There is more than enough to learn without learning about arbitrary 12th or even 20th century "leaders", who were really just the local megalomaniacs of previous times. The only country with any tendency to military-based empire nowadays is the USA with the PNAC and "with us or against us" policy. Other countries are only tag-along supporters of UN activities and other than a few border issues, nobody is building an empire. I suppose that makes the UN an empire-seeker and I'm a supporter of that, with, for the spittle-emitting of the Rabid Republican Right, a NUN circumscribed constitution which won't include telling people how to brush their teeth. Mqurice