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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (11751)	7/18/2004 10:12:00 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

Oh, cut the crap. Either quit exaggerating and stick to the facts... Yeah...please stick to the facts. As I said before Canada has less money than the US. You proved it by saying the Canadians only earn 80% of what Americans earn. I never said that Canada was third world. You keep making that argument with yourself...then try to push it on me....LOL. And if you don't think that 20% makes much difference, please take 20% of your pay and send it to me! LOL! Although 100% of Canadians have healthcare insurance, it does no good for the 18% of them who have trouble finding a doctor. Contrast that with the United States where 15% may be without insurance, but only 6% go without needed care as a result. Our system may have its problems, but access to care isn't one of them. At least not when compared to Canada's. This is an incomplete picture. First having trouble finding a doctor is completely different from those in the US that go without needed care. You're comparing apples to oranges. Second, we have many more folks than 15% that are uninsured, so these data may be dated. They do not define what "needed care" means. Nor do they say anything about the number of people that cannot find a doctor. Only trouble finding one. But if you recall I mentioned that already in a previous post, that the brain drain was hurting Canada. It doesn't help to have the richest country in the world right next door. Despite that the Canadians that I talk with are quite happy with their health care. There could be differences in the provinces. I speak mainly with folks from BC. That's BS and you know it. By far the largest proportion of medical care delivered in this country is routine. Heart transplants are rare in comparison. Aren't you proud of yourself for stating the obvious? I was talking relative to each system, not comparing them. A well designed system could easily cover all of our health needs, and cut costs. Why do the Canadians pay less for drugs? Because they have collective bargaining. What Bush gave us was collective sodomizing at the hands of big Pharma. You fail to see the potential of a national health care system because you're locked into the mentality that government can't do a good job. But at the same time you think that government spending on military is a good idea. How can we do so well with the military yet you project so poorly executing health care? Schools are more dependent on local school districts. Those districts are dependent on the states and the states are dependent on the feds. In other words schools suck hind tit. In a time when states are struggling, schools take a big hit. There are other problems with the schools as well. Mostly the low pay for teachers, and the difficult situations in most schools today. That's all related to breakdown in the families, a problem which is often exasperated by poor families struggling to make ends meet. As a former government employee I gave 200% of myself. Worked till 2 AM often to get the people's work done. Many in government work hard for less pay than in the private sector. The problem lies mainly in how the system is designed and managed. If you have a good system, well managed and staffed by competent people, it doesn't matter if it's private or public. But I think that some combination of a public private system makes sense. And we can start by providing insurance to poorest families first, then step that amount by income. There will be hard work to be done to put the system together, but I believe that we can make it work. We shouldn't rely on the Canadians or the Brits failures to make up our minds. Hell the Brits and the Canadians don't have missile defense either...should we follow their lead there? Orca