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To: Berry Picker who wrote (38112)	7/22/2004 9:08:56 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Exactly what is wrong with this Church creed? It was used by the universal Church beginning in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. Since the early Church leaders who were apointed by the successors to the Apotles used this creed, shouldn't that give it some credibility? Why should the attacks of men living almost two thousands years later, men who are in rebellion to the early holy traditions of the Church, be given more weight than those who learned their beliefs from the Apostles and their successors? APOSTLES CREED I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, God's only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again; he ascended into heaven, he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and he will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic(universal) church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. AMEN.

To: Berry Picker who wrote (38112)	7/22/2004 9:29:26 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"Emile - if I ascribed to the "authority" of church creeds as you have just prescribed - I could not believe in Preterism." Then I would strongly urge you to examine your beliefs in light of the Scriptures and the early traditions of the Church to see they are in harmony with the Church. Our purpose as Christians is to know and obey the Truth. Christ is, of course, the Truth, but he often hides the details of that truth to develop our humility. There are thousands of denominations today all proclaiming that they have the correct interpretation of scripture. So how do we determine who is correct? All of these thousands of denominations basically use the same scriptures and claim that they have the Holy Spirit, but come up with different meanings. Why? Because they have abandoned the authority that God gave the Church---the Apostles and their successors. This is why you need to consult the Early Fathers of the Church on doctrinal disputes and scriptural interpretation. Many of the concepts of Preterism are clearly contained in the Bible and the Church Fathers. There are others that are in conflict with the clear teachings of the Apostles and the Early Church Fathers. The creeds are simply a summation of the critical points of our Faith. When the Apostolic Creed says that "Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead", I would certainly give more credibility to that early Church teaching that is in unity with the scriptures than with some modern doctrine of the 20th and 21st century. It does not invalidate the central theme of preterism, but rather shores it up. The central themes of Preterism are that Jesus fulfilled the old covenant and established the New, that Jesus fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies, and that the Church--the Body of Christ--has become the new Israel of God.

To: Berry Picker who wrote (38112)	7/22/2004 9:39:25 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"I am sorry "Historical Creeds" are the works of men's hands." So are the Scriptures! The Scriptures were written by men as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. These same men also, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, DETERMINED IN COUNCIL which of the writings of the early Church Fathers were to be admitted to the canon of Scriptures. The New Testament we have today was determined by a council of MEN who debated, discussed and argued over which should be considered The Scriptures. Jesus had promised the Apostles and disciples--the Church leaders--that they would always have the Holy Spirit to lead them in the Church. This is why these men were able to authoritatively declare the canon of scripture. Today all trinitarian Christians accept that these men had the anointing of the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus. These same Church leaders also wrote the Apostolic creed in council and under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit. The creed was used even before the scriptures were canonized. So why shouldn't you accept the creeds of the early Church?