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To: Neocon who wrote (141498)	7/26/2004 2:39:57 PM
From: Dr. Id	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You use WWII and even WWI as an argument that our foreign interventions are driven by our values. My point was about the last 40 or 50 years (post-WWII and coinciding with the mass development of the Military-Industrial Complex). I think that since that time, our interests have been more purely driven from a corporate agenda than a human rights one. To suggest that GWB, who took glee in his execution record in Texas, who has put profiteering in Iraq before the lives of our own soldiers, who basically sanctioned the use of torture in dealing with our prisoners... is a Humanitarian...well, THAT is as ludicrous as is calling him an Environmentalist.

To: Neocon who wrote (141498)	7/26/2004 2:42:18 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<but it is mainly a matter of honor> We killed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese as a matter of honor? We dropped napalm on women and children as a matter of honor? Interesting perspective.

To: Neocon who wrote (141498)	7/26/2004 4:20:27 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> I am certain that humanitarian concerns are often, if not always, paramount. Neo, you sound like a good person and are succeeding in moderating my opinion of some Neocons...but I have to say I am almost as certain that humanitarian concerns are often, if not always, at the very bottom of the decision process. Where were the humanitarian concerns when Saddam was gassing the Kurds? Where were they when he was firing 50-caliber bullets from gunships upon civilians? Have you actually read what the Contras were doing to people during Reagan? Yes, I am sure we would have prefered to have had a nice guy instead of Saddam fighting the Iranians or that the Contras were really freedom fighters with ethics, but in the final analysis, these concerns always take the second (or third or fourth) seat to the material and strategic concerns.