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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (56275)	7/26/2004 2:39:51 PM
From: carranza2	Respond to of 793990

Then there are the economic problems associated with the kind of misogynism--it is at the core misgynism--under discussion. I am firmly of the opinion that a great deal of our economic growth and increased standard of living in the last couple or more decades is due in very large part to the vigorous participation of women in the job market and as entrpreneurs. As a result, countries which keep women at home are not doing very well; their economic problems are exacerbated by the fact that these countries generally do not invest heavily in education or technology. Many of these countries are Muslim. C2@justdon'taskmetoproveit.com

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (56275)	7/26/2004 10:19:38 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793990

Ottoman envoys to Europe in the 15th and 16th and 17th centuries wrote home with amazement regarding the astonishing levels of freedom and respect accorded to ladies. I imagine that they were also astonished at the easy ability of pornography. The point doesn't change: women get worse treatnment in fundamentalist societies (invariably male dominated) than they do in free societies, despite the tendency of free societies to celebrate and sell sexuality in ways that fundamentalist moralists find offensive.