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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (141678)	7/27/2004 6:09:46 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Respond to of 281500

Don't you think the "other side" is amply drilled into them by the psychological operations people who, in our name, fire them up with pro-war propaganda on all the reasons FOR the war? I still remember all the bullshit reasons the army gave me for why I was going to Vietnam. Complements of Arlo Guthry enjoy, Sun (eating dinner at Alice's Restaurant) Tzu geocities.com ... but thats not what I came to tell you about. Came to talk about the draft. We got a building down New York City,it's called Whitehall street Were you get injected, inspected, detected infected negleced and selected. I went down and got my physical examination one day, and I walked in, sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. Cause I wanted to look like the all American kid from New York City, man I to feel like the , I wanted to _be_ the all American kid from New York, and I walked in and I was hungdown brungdown hungup and all kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave me a pice of paper said "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604" I went up there said "Shrink, I want to kill, I wanna I wanna kill.Kill. I wanna I wanna to see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth.Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, kill,KILL,KILL." and I started jumpin up and down yelling KILL KILL, and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling "KILL KILL". And the sargent came over pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said "you're our boy". Didn't feel too good about it. ...

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (141678)	7/27/2004 6:55:06 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Or do you think that the men and women we send in our name to kill and die for us are too simple, too young and too naive to sort the facts for themselves? Many of them probably are - they are young, busy, and nobody has made a movie for them showing an more accurate view. Don't you think that anyone, regardless of their political point of view, should object to the showing of propaganda films "full of truths, half truths and falsities", particularly a polemic specifically designed to destroy support for the war? Is accuracy too much to ask for? You know as well as I do the McCarthyite guilt-by-association tactics Moore uses in this movie, with a generous sprinkling of outright lies and fabrications. Would you have shown Triumph of the Will to US troops in WWII, and trusted that they would have democratcially been able to sort out the truth? Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence.