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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (141758)	7/28/2004 2:42:00 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine, I like you and I'm sure that we'd enjoy being neighbors, but I just can't understand where you became so dogmatic in your thinking. You're far too intelligent to be likely to post things like: And your point remains obtuse. The inspections were not unfettored. The whole inspections racket was designed to find nothing and buy time.That's why they put the good ole UN boy, the easily fooled Hans Blix, in charge of it instead of something who might have dug. Every single person knew that the UN inspections would take forever and find nothing before they started. Everyone. That was their purpose. It was part of the negotiations at the UN for another resolution. There are so many unfounded assumptions in that small packet that it's difficult to know where to start. Let me say, however that the inspectors were given access to EVERY site that they asked to inspect. Hans Blix wasn't so easily fooled by the Iraqis although it appears that he was taken in initially by the certainty with which we claimed precise knowledge of wmd existence and locations. Most people didn't "know" that the inspectors would "find nothing." In fact they found a missile system that slightly exceeded U.N. mandated range limitations and were in the process of overseeing the destruction of such missiles. It appears that those who "knew" they'd find nothing, seemed to be the Bush Administration and the neocons along with their most rabid supporters. The rest of us were waiting to see what they found and how extensive their inspections were. The most fatal flaw in your argument, however, and the one that would be obvious to ANYONE who wasn't wearing ideological blinders, is that THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NOTHING TO BE FOUND. Accept the reality that Iraq was, as claimed by Saddam Hussein, virtually wmd free. You must know that and yet you still rant on and on about how the inspections would have found nothing and so we had to invade. Why don't you just admit that the reason you are so dogmatically pro-war on Iraq has nothing to do with inspections, nothing to do with helping "those poor Iraqis," and nothing to do with fighting terrorism. On the other hand, it clearly has everything to do with striking down an enemy of Israel and involving the U.S. in a war against the perceived enemies of Israel throughout the region. If you want to discuss the merits of that policy then we could likely have a fruitful discussion. If not then we're just shooting at each other from odd angles that never connect.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (141758)	7/28/2004 2:43:21 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Excellent summary<g>....

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (141758)	7/28/2004 4:18:22 PM
From: Dr. Id	Respond to of 281500

Thus Bush was outfoxed at the UN. What a surprise. That 2.2 GPA in College didn't get him very far... Bush was outfoxed at that Nursery School on 9/11. By the pre-schoolers.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (141758)	7/28/2004 6:16:41 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

<Every single person knew that the UN inspections would take forever and find nothing before they started. Everyone. That was their purpose.> The UN inspectors did indeed find things and oversaw their destruction over a period of years after the first Gulf war -- so much so that it now appears that they exceeded all expectations and found everything worth finding and had everything destroyed. By the time Blix went back in, there was nothing left to find, and a large country not to find it in. There remained serious issues of documents to be sure that everything was destroyed. But the threat was eliminated long before Iraq was invaded. Nothing was found as a consequence of invading Iraq -- there was nothing left to find. The UN inspections were remarkably successful -- what the UN inspectors accomplished was a real achievement. They disarmed Iraq. The US invasion did nothing to disarm Iraq.