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To: Neocon who wrote (141957)	7/29/2004 3:21:29 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Thank you Neocon. If we're not careful we might end up with a new appreciation for each other. At least on my part. Ed

To: Neocon who wrote (141957)	7/29/2004 10:06:57 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

c's allegation that I accused him of rape and murder is untrue. This is what I said: >>You're the one who's copping out. If you did not commit atrocities, and the men you were with did not commit atrocities, what gives you the right to claim that other "ordinary men" commited atrocities? You can't have it both ways. Either you are not telling us about the wrongdoing you committed or personally observed, or else you're repeating war stories without any personal knowledge of their veracity. << Message 20358730 I called him coarse and lacking empathy because of stuff like this: To me: "Don't be a ditz. If you want to be a Limbaugh wannabe, you'll have to build a more realistic straw man than that." Message 20358523 To Sun Tzu about me: "Sun, she simply cannot accept that Americans, when faced with the pressures of war, will tend to react similarly to soldiers everywhere. That means that unless there are strong controls in place they WILL commit atrocities. Unfortunately in some wars the controls are not in place and ordinary men get sucked into the darkness. She calls them psychopaths and that's totally a cop out. Many of the men who committed atrocities in Vietnam came home and lived normal lives. They raised families, went to church, coached their children in sports, and had a lot of nightmares. In her pollyanna and black and white world, however, Americans don't do such things, even when they do. And yes, she seems willing to say anything to "win" an argument, even when she must know better. That's not a trait that a "black and white" thinker ought to cultivate." Message 20358608 Saying I accused him of rape and murder is just more of the same, coarse and lacking --- not just empathy, but insight. A tin ear. And a very thin skin, which is curious in someone who likes to attack others. Weird.