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Politics : Formerly About Advanced Micro Devices -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tejek who wrote (196436)	8/1/2004 9:28:46 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1580631

Ted, I've got a problem with Ten. It involves personal loses wrt to the Korean war, real life good friends. Real people, that loved their life. So when I hear Korean folks saying they don't want to pay taxes, that they don't want a draft because they would rather pay other folks to go to war... well, I just lose it. The folks that are dead didn't think that way, they went to Korea, and then they died. Ten suggested that I put him on ignore. Good idea, and it's done. I don't need to continue the conversation. John

To: tejek who wrote (196436)	8/2/2004 12:58:28 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1580631

Ted, I KNOW you don't believe TM and JF think a like. TM is in a class of his own. Well, after reading why JF went ballistic (#reply-20368668), I now see why the two of them reacted the same way. It's all very personal to them. You're right, JF didn't say it in a racial context, but of course, he forgot that it's very personal to me, too, which is why I took it as a racial attack. I guess I could rake JF over the coals if I wanted to force him to be politically correct, but given that I don't believe in that nonsense, I'll just drop it and let him take me off of Ignore whenever he feels ready. I just don't buy it. I think its a POV.......a value system that we each have......and I think it is held when you are younger but in the case of conservative values, it is masked by the need to conform and the belief that when you are young you want everything to be new and innovative. Good point. However, the prime reason is because I see us in this mess together and therefore feel I have some control over how the mess is handled. I sense with people who worry about socialism that they fear losing control over their money and their lives. Well, there's definitely that fear, of course. To me, however, the reason why I'll tend to err on the side of capitalism is because of the unique individualistic culture within America. There is great diversity here, almost to the point where many fear the problems associated with it. But I think the strength that this nation demonstrates through its diversity is because of its freedoms. That's why so many people of so many cultures come here, because that's exactly what they seek. To me, socialism requires a lot of conformity in thinking, which is why it works better in European nations whose populations within each nation isn't as diverse. It involves people sacrificing some control over their money and the lives for the common good, along with a direct accountability that I think isn't very practical for America. You'll disagree, but I do think some freedom is indeed sacrificed in a socialism, and given that the intentions of the populace are good, that limits the good they can accomplish together. Of course, if the populate is bad, that also limits the damage they can do, and as you know, society is some mix of the two. I'm an optimist (seems like that's a political buzzword these days), so I usually trust that people can collectively do more with freedom than with a government-imposed system. But I understand your viewpoint, that the two need not be mutually exclusive. After all, we don't live in a true capitalism in the most severely technical sense of the word. If we did, for instance, all of our roads would be toll roads, and all of our schools would be private. Tenchusatsu