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To: carranza2 who wrote (142895)	8/9/2004 1:42:02 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

Am glad you mentioned 2 brains. The potential and difficulties of AI might be seen by considering an integration of two complete experienced brains in one body. Lets add the brains of race car driver to a complete Eskimo and figure out what might happen. The car driver ends up thinking along one track, damn its cold I'll try to get this kook to start a fire in this igloo or pack up and move south. Then too he probably cannot digest blubber and convinces the Eskimo to move next to a Mc Donalds. I think in the end they either do not accomplish anything because of conflicts and indecision or they kill each other. Somewhat like a politician. But thinking along this line shows that survival depends upon what people have learned throughout many generations and even with that knowledge the Eskimo and the race car driver are in serious trouble. No need to fear AI or worry about it taking over, it would not survive any environment except where it has experience - like in a lab. Sig Sig

To: carranza2 who wrote (142895)	8/9/2004 6:02:14 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

The essence of brain functioning is not parallel processing -- rather, the essence lies in "massively parallel" processing. This is not a matter of left and right brain. It is a matter of a relatively small number of cells (small in comparison to the number of "transisters" in a large computer) operating at relatively slow speeds, but functioning in parallel due to their combined "memory" and "processing" capability. When memory and processing are disconnected, as they are in a standard computer, processing speeds are limited by the time it takes to connect processing and memory. Massively parallel computing offers some promise of coming closer to brain functioning, but tends to require software than as yet is not highly flexible and so has few properties of "thinking" -- right now we can do massively parallel computer processing but can only do so to achieve high speed rather than flexibility.

To: carranza2 who wrote (142895)	8/10/2004 6:04:20 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

C2, we are getting away from FADG except that I am discussing supplanting the USA, using ARPANET against the USA, so that's quite FADGish. <I think it will be centuries before the computer equivalent of a working corpus callosum can be built.> The equivalent already exists. The corpus callosum as I understand it is just a data freeway. A slow one at that. Optical fibre moves a lot of data at high speed. There is fibre strung around the world already, with more being produced all the time. The hard part is what happens at the ends of the optical fibre and corpus callosum. The mistake people make is to think the computers will copy what we do. My point is that what we do is not largely relevant to what cyberspace would want to do. It needs a woman like a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. So to say that It wouldn't enjoy a good cigar attracts the question, "So what?" Come to think of it, I don't enjoy a good cigar either, but don't feel deprived. Cultural imperialism is a weird thing. People often want to proselytize and convert the natives, as though everyone is waiting to be enlightened by the superior beings arriving in their midst. When the locals let of IEDs, it puzzles the wondrous harbingers of mudder-fudder "music" with their foul mouths and belligerent attitude who were expecting to be garlanded with flowers by nubile young women throwing back their chadors. Mqurice