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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: ChinuSFO who wrote (42254)8/11/2004 8:01:07 PM
From: BearcatbobRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
"I am not about ready to question Kerry because of what Nixon says. Let us get a life and move onto the future."

What does Nixon have to do with the question. If you are willing to question Dubya you should be willing to question kerry.

His silence is deafening. It will be interesting to see the spin.

How ironic - F911 and now Unfit for Command.

Fair for the goose - fair for the gander!

BTW - can you tell us any good reason why kerry should be elected - like how his budget will do all it is promised.

Lie about Cambodia? Lie about the budget?

All part of the political game - it is so much fun!



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (42254)8/12/2004 12:04:17 AM
From: Glenn PetersenRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 81568
 
Nixon, a convicted crook was telling everybody and lying to them. If I have to choose between who is telling the truth, Kerry or Nixon, I would choose Kerry over Nixon...So if Kerry says he was in Cambodia and Nixon was telling the Americans that there were no troops there, I am not about ready to question Kerry because of what Nixon says.

Maybe I missed something, but I don't recall that Nixon was ever convicted of any crime.

Nixon was not yet president when Kerry supposedly made his excursion into Cambodia. The evidence would seem to suggest that Kerry... Hmmm, how can I say this tactfully? Embellished? No. Got it. The evidence would seem to suggest that Kerry took some dramatic license when he claimed to have ventured into Cambodia.

telegraph.co.uk

Critics launch four-pronged assault on Vietnam record
(Filed: 12/08/2004)

Four major charges have been levelled against John Kerry by a group of Vietnam veterans opposed to the Democratic presidential challenger.

Charge One: Mr Kerry is lying when he said he was sent, illegally, into Cambodia, on missions that made a mockery of official US claims that American forces were not in Cambodia, a neutral country.

According to a forthcoming anti-Kerry book, Unfit for Command: "All the living commanders in Kerry's chain of command . . . indicate that Kerry would have been seriously disciplined or court-martialled had he gone" to Cambodia. The rivers and canals leading to Cambodia were strictly off limits, precisely because US forces were not meant to be there.

Steven Gardner, the gunner's mate on Mr Kerry's boat, has denied any knowledge of illegal CIA missions, saying: "There were no black ops; nothing like that with our boats." He told a Dallas newspaper: "We were not anywhere near Cambodia. "[Kerry] didn't have the balls to do that and break international law."

Mr Kerry's account of Christmas 1968 is being questioned. On Oct 14, 1979, he wrote in the Boston Herald newspaper: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas."

On March 27, 1986, Mr Kerry told the US Senate: "I remember Christmas of 1968, sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory . . . seared in me."


In 1992, the States News Service quoted Mr Kerry as recalling he was involved in a "black mission" near Cambodia, saying: "On Christmas Eve of 1968, I was on a gunboat in a firefight that wasn't supposed to be taking place. I thought, if I'm killed here, what will my family be told?"

According to a recent sympathetic biography of Mr Kerry, Tour of Duty, by Douglas Brinkley, which draws extensively on the senator's own wartime journals, his boat spent Christmas Eve under fire, close to the Cambodian border. But exactly where is not made clear.

In Mr Brinkley's account, the boat had left Sa Dec, a Vietnamese village some 55 miles from Cambodia, and sailed upstream, when it was ambushed by Viet Cong guerrillas, firing a mortar, "at a bend, just as they were approaching the Cambodian border". In this account, the patrol craft eventually sails back to Sa Dec, where Mr Kerry writes up his journal. He makes no mention of being inside Cambodia.

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