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To: kodiak_bull who wrote (21137)	8/21/2004 3:46:42 PM
From: jim_p	Respond to of 23153

KB, Good post. All I can say is "Ditto", and thanks for the effort. You should send a copy to Micheal Moore: mike@michaelmoore.com Jim

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (21137)	8/21/2004 6:04:10 PM
From: Bruce L	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

<<The Democrats/liberals ... are now caught in the very emotional sway of the poisonous stuff that the Dem brain stem feeds them..... It's very interesting to hear the common Democrat wax long and eloquent about the corruption, cowardice, conniving fascism and oppression of the current administration (almost certainly without any experience whatsoever of corrupt or fascist goverance.).... One cannot, in essence, have a deep and constructive conversation with liberals until they untie themselves from the emotional ideas which they are slave to.>> KB: Very good post. It accurately describes what I see daily. But why? Why are they caught in this emotional sway? How can otherwise intelligent human beings (My experience is that a disproportionate number have science or engineering backgrounds) utter the garbage they do? Why is it seemingly impossible to have a dialogue with them? When confronted with the absurdity of their statements, they may back off from the more extreme statements but will end the dialogue with a statement like 'I can't convince you and you can't convince me.' Why are we having this sharp emotional divide right now in our history? Three and four hundred years ago men were likewise divided by the nuances of religion. There are parallels with the emotional divide of the Vietnam war years. It may be that some portion of the "baby boom" generation have nastolgic memories of what they recall as the black and white choices of those years. But that doesn't explain why members of younger generations are eating up the poisons. Is our society bored? Is there some parallel to 1914 when the world went to war everywhere with wild enthusiasm and seeming relief? I don't know the answers. But I am very disturbed by what I see. Bruce

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (21137)	8/21/2004 10:12:37 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Kodiak, re: "Whenever a "liberal" accuses me or anyone of being a knee-jerk anything, I simply realize that he has given up trying to understand or reason anything and simply defaulted to an emotional and useless level of non-discourse. After reading your post I have to congratulate you on your logical, well reasoned, dispassionate and non-partisan view of politics. I especially liked your incise summary of the Vietnam experience which, of course, you are not "caught in;" ie.: "I'm not caught in the Vietnam experience, looping ever backward into the unfortunate war waged between LBJ's immense ego and pitifully small brain on the one side and the North Vietnamese and the elite east coast press on the other side. I hadn't realized it was solely a "democratic" war and I sure didn't know that the "elite east coast press" and the North Vietnamese were allied. (My point is that there seem to be a few absolutes and simplifications in your post. Maybe it's not that black and white, maybe Nixon carried on the same failed policies or had the same ego problems, maybe liberals have brains too and maybe you shouldn't tend to simply dismiss, as "emotional and useless level[s] of non-discourse," everything said by those whom you feel are "accusing" you of something?)