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To: GST who wrote (144411)8/30/2004 3:44:20 PM
From: Noel de Leon  Respond to of 281500
 
And may well get assassinated, shades of Mossadeq



To: GST who wrote (144411)8/30/2004 4:17:33 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
"...anybody who offered to play along is going to have an extremely hard time washing off the smell of their contact with us. Sadr is clean as a whistle with a track record unlike anybody else in Iraq -- he will run as the liberator of Iraq."

You consider it smelly to agree to participate in a movement designed to support the installation of a liberal democracy? That is what our role is.

You consider Sadr clean as a whistle with a track record unlike anyone else in Iraq? Well, I am sure he is one of a kind in some respects. However, he represents the fascious ideal from an Arab-Shi'ite fundamental perspective.

What do we know about the squeaky clean Al-Sadr? Let's take a look at the anti-smelly (American) option you are bolstering.

1) He lacks the education and degrees required to proclaim himself a scholar of the religion of Islam. If he were educated it might qualify him to announce his right to be considered for leadership as a Shi'ite who represents the scholarly course to take for shia people. He doesn't have such qualifications, so he proclaims his right to leadership on the basis of his lineage and nothing else. He is the son of the Grand Ayat Allah Muhammad Sadiq Al-Sadr (who was killed in 1999 along with two of his other sons). For a while the elder Al-Sadr was backed by Saddam because of his zealousness at getting non-Arabs removed from leadership positions.

2)Iranians are not Arabs they have a separate Persian line of ethnicity. Continuing his father's attempt to lead the al-Hawza in Najaf (fascist Arab political group), his followers surrounded the home of Grand Ayat Allah Ali al-Sistani, an Iranian citizen, asking him to leave the country soon after occupation. This followed the murder of the prominent Shia cleric Abd al-Majid al-Khoei who had returned to Iraq with US forces after years in exile.

3) He did not recognise the US-appointed Iraqi Governing Council and declared a shadow cabinet. Al-Sadr founded a paramilitary militia, (al-Mahdi Army) saying it would fight for the interests of the Iraqi people. (Note: Iraq=Ethnic Arab and Shi'ite in this context).

4) Declaring that peaceful protests had become useless, al-Sadr urged his followers to "terrorise" their enemy (non-Arab non-Shi'ite) on 5 April 2004.

Bottom line here is that... If you believe that the only Americans who should be permitted to run this country are White Protestant Christians, with blue blood lineage that tracks back to England, then I can understand why you would refer to Al-Sadr's agenda as "clean as a whistle". Exactly as Stalin and Hitler had a "clean as a whistle" plan not too long ago.

Personally, I would prefer to "play along" with the democratic folk who are pushing liberty and justice for all.

<font size=72> <font color=red> YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING