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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (46912)	9/4/2004 1:04:22 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 81568

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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (46912)	9/4/2004 2:43:12 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

Not everybody has moved on. The cover-up is, in this case as almost every case, worse than the facts. If Kerry had followed through on his promise to release all his records to all the press, and if the facts and record prove what he says they prove, your'e right, this would and should go away. The only reason for him not to release the records is because he knows there's a smoking gun in there, and hopes he can keep it under wraps for another nine weeks. As long as he keeps the covers on, people will, and should, keep wondering what he's hiding.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (46912)	9/4/2004 2:52:11 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

chinu. Since 9/11 you have been defensive of islam saying islam has nothing to do with islam terrorism. Now even islam leaders acknowledge that islam is responsible. So how about you. You still insist islam has nothing to do with islam terrorists? Ah, Those brave islam holy warrior's shooting those innocent children in the back as they tried to escape the terror. And how about those brave islam holy warrior's murdering innocent people in the Sudan. Course they did spare some...women and little girls for the purpose of their need to rape. School siege prompts self-criticism in Arab media Maggie Michael Canadian Press canada.com. Saturday, September 04, 2004 CAIRO, Egypt Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday as Middle East media and officials registered their horror at the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school. Unusually forthright self-criticism followed the end of the hostage crisis, along with warnings such actions inflict more damage to the image of Islam than all its enemies combined could hope. Arab leaders and Muslim clerics denounced the school seizure as unjustifiable and expressed their sympathy. Russian commandos stormed the school Friday in Beslan, Russia; it had been taken over apparently by rebels demanding independence for Chechnya. Death toll reports ran as high as 250, with twice as many wounded. Many of the casualties were children. Images of terrified young survivors being carried from the scene aired repeatedly on Arab TV stations. Pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Arab newspapers Saturday. "Holy warriors" from the Middle East long have supported fellow Muslims fighting in Chechnya, and Russian officials said nine or 10 Arabs were among militants killed. "Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!" Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups -- in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen -- many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of terror network al-Qaida. "Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications. "The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us," al-Rashed wrote. Contributors to Islamic websites known for their extremist content had mixed reactions on the hostage crisis, with some praising the separatists as holy warriors. Others wrote that people should wait until the militants had been identified before implicating Arabs in the drama. A statement in the name of the Islambouli Brigades posted Saturday on an Internet site known for its militant content, meanwhile, distanced the group from the school attack, though it did not criticize the Chechen rebels it indicated were behind it and called the hostage-takers demands "justified." There was no way to verify its authenticity. "We in al-Islambouli Brigades, although we bless the efforts of our brothers in Chechnya in defending their honour and their religion, announce that we have no relationship with any cell of the cells that carried out the Ossetia operation, and that we didn't contribute with any munitions or money in this operation," the statement read. "The dirty Russian government carries all the responsibility and the repercussions of this operation." Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column in Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, that hostage-takers in Russia as well as in Iraq are only harming Islam. "If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age," Bahgat wrote. An editorial in the Saudi English-language Arab News put some blame for the bloody end to the school siege on Vladimir Putin, saying the Russian president couldn't afford to lose his "tough-man image." But it added that "the Chechens, with the choice of their targets, had put themselves in a position where no one would shed tears when the punishment came. They reached a new low when they chose toddlers as bargaining chips." © The Associated Press 2004