To: Oeconomicus who wrote (15565 ) 9/6/2004 5:19:25 PM From: Rarebird Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947 <Trouble is, I think most Americans learned something from Vietnam that Kerry obviously didn't. When you tell the enemy your number one priority is getting out, they've won.> I was a rabid Ant-War Vietnam protester back then and Proud of it. The Conservatives back then were liars as usual: The Dominoe effect never came about. Need I remind you how Laos, Cambodia and the whole region was suppose to go communist if Vietnam went communist first! How come it never happened Conservative Boy? Here are a few facts for you about the Iraq war: Throughout Iraq, US forces are being attacked 60 times per day on average, up 20% from the three-month period before the handover. Western Iraq has fallen firmly under rebel control. Other Iraqi towns, like Samarra, have also fallen to insurgents. Attacks on oil pipelines are proliferating. Moktada al-Sadr and his Mahdi army has just left Najaf, but it remains in control of Sadr City with its two million people. Ever since the uprising in April, the Iraqi town of Falluja has in effect been a small Islamic republic. The rest of the Sunni triangle is already a huge US "no go" area. Al-Fallujah and Ar-Ramadi and much of Anbar province are now controlled by militias, with US troops confined mainly to heavily protected forts on the desert's edge. Washington now faces the prospect of seeing American forces banned from the Shiite militia's strongholds of Najaf and Kufa, as well as the Sunni redoubt of Falluja. It therefore needs to make major adjustments in military and political strategy if it is to retain any hope of rebuilding Iraq and preparing for credible elections in the next five months. The pact just brokered by Sistani makes Najaf and Kufa, like Fallouja, in effect a no-go zone for US troops. The western media cannot resist calling Muqtada al-Sadr a "radical", but he has been consistent in his staunch opposition to the American occupation of Iraq. A recent quote from Sadr says it all: "There can be no politics under occupation, no freedom under occupation, no democracy under occupation." The Bush Administration needs another 180,000 troops, at least, on the ground in Iraq - which it hasn't got. A huge military debacle is in the making. The US political debacle will be even larger. The end game is to save the US from this approaching debacle. You really need to Learn how to think for yourself like a good liberal fellow, rather than listening to your Fuhrer, President Bush.