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To: Amy J who wrote (66184)9/10/2004 9:26:45 AM
From: Proud_Infidel  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
At the rate of 10,000 to 50,000 Iraqi deaths per year, some in Iraq probably would say "yes." At the going death rate, we may be close to reaching the same number of murders Sadaam did over a decade.

Give me a break! The people dying have guns in their hand and many have crossed the border to fight our troops. Saddam killed people for merely writing a newspaper column or speaking to their neighbor. There is a vast difference, enough so to say there is absolutely no comparison!

Mindmeld, you assume you know best? I have to ask, do you do any international traveling and do you sit down and really listen to international people?

I do and just got back from Peru. Everyone wanted to talk about the United States and nobody had a bad word to say, outside of a few Europeans I met(which is to be expected from them). And why should we kowtow to the Europeans as if their word was the final word? These are the same people who do not want to enter the Sudan to stop a genocide happening as we speak....they want to give the government more time while innocent people are raped and killed! Yes, by all means, let's listen to what they have to say.

At the end of the day, people of their own culture want to decide their culture

And this is exactly what will happen in Iraq.



To: Amy J who wrote (66184)9/10/2004 10:20:01 AM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
Arrogance! It's you who are being arrogant to believe that a whole entire culture does not want freedom!

Freedom is not an imposition. That would be like saying it is arrogant to impose the right to breathe air on the rest of the world, just because we Americans get to breathe air.

Are you really that naive to believe the Arabs DON'T want freedom? Of course they do. And they have been completely unable to unseat the Arab oppressors who rule them in order to win that freedom.

If you are an American citizen, you really need to stop believing all the bad propaganda about the U.S. We are not the root of all evil. In fact, most Americans are very good hearted and are just trying to help the world. That's not arrogance. That's called giving back.

It's people who believe that other cultures don't want or don't deserve freedom that are the true obstacle to world wide peace. The more countries whose governments are determined by and held accountable to the people, the closer we'll all get towards world peace.

That's not arrogance, that is common sense. Freedom is as necessary to a peaceful, integrated culture, as air is to life itself.

P.S. Yes, I do travel the world. I've been everywhere from Honduras to Hong Kong and traveled Europe extensively. I even lived in Madrid for 2 years. I have several family members who were educated in the foreign services school at Georgetown and have my own list of hoity toity friends who "know" things about the world, most of which are so sickeningly liberal, I jokingly call them communists. Don't assume that one person's opinion is more valuable than another's just because their chosen profession is different. :)