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To: GST who wrote (145354)	9/10/2004 2:17:57 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

<<< can assure you with 100% certainty about the reality on the ground in China. If Taiwan tries to break away from the rest of China then Beijing will send in the miltiary >>> Nice try but wrong,care to guess again?. Sig

To: GST who wrote (145354)	9/10/2004 2:40:41 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I can assure you with 100% certainty about the reality on the ground in China. If Taiwan tries to break away from the rest of China then Beijing will send in the miltiary -- nothing theoretical about this at all. That is likely true, but even if it is 100% true it doesn't mean that China controls Taiwan or that there really is one country. It just means that China wants there to be one country and has the power to at least try and do something about it should Taiwan declare independence, rather then just be independent without declaring it. China could try to invade Taiwan, it also could possibly try to invade any of the countries around its borders but none of them are part of China. The government in Taiwan is not selected by or subordinate to Beijing. If China tried to invade it might lost even without the US helping Taiwan. At the minimum it would have to practically destroy Taiwan in order to take it and take heavy losses in the process. this is not something where they would calculate the costs or the losses. If it means millions die so be it. If it means tens of millions will die, so be it. Anybody who fails to understand this is completely unaware of how this is viewed, not only "officially", but by the citizens of the mainland Chinese provinces. Your assertion that Taiwan is NOT part of China is a direct odds with the reality on the ground there. A Chinese invasion isn't the reality on the ground because China isn't invading. The citizens of mainland China may see Taiwan as part of China but that doesn't change the fact that it isn't at this time. If China is prepared to lose millions over a destroyed wreck of Taiwan that would remain after the war, and if the US didn't intervene then maybe China could take over Taiwan but that doesn't make Taiwan part of China any more then the fact that there are a number of countries that the US could take over makes those countries part of the US. Beijing doesn't control Taiwan, and certainly Taiwan doesn't control the mainland. Economically, Taiwan and Shanghai are deeply embedded in each others economy. As are the US and Canada, and the US and Mexico As are the EU countries, and in particular certain groups of neighboring countries like Spain and Portugal. Also Mongolia and China. I could continue with more examples but that is enough to make my point. Tim