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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/15/2004 2:50:55 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Presidential Tracking Poll: Bush-Kerry
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Updated Daily by Noon Eastern Election 2004

Presidential Ballot

Bush 47.3%
Kerry 46.4%
Other 2.4%
Not Sure 3.8%
RasmussenReports.com

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Wednesday September 15, 2004--The Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll shows President George W. Bush with 47% of the vote and Senator John Kerry with 46%. The Tracking Poll is updated daily by noon Eastern.

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/15/2004 3:10:44 PM
From: Joe S Pack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
the benefits of liberated people, freer women, a new national soccer team, these are to be sure

on freer women part:
How do you know? Any proof? Any link?
In fact there was lady a couple of days back on WBAI radio show saying that it is much worse than it used to be. She is from Iraq and her view is that women used to walk in the streets without the fear of religious zealots harassing them or hooligans raping them under Saddam period. Now it is quite opposite due to religious fanatics and the so called liberators. In fact most women feel that their top wish now is for the US to leave as soon as possible and have a secular government.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/15/2004 3:20:31 PM
From: J.B.C.  Respond to of 89467
 
It is sad that you have become one of the worst liberal hacks on these threads. Such a waste. I wish you luck because you'll need it if you're expecting to succeed in selling American Bashing news to American's. You need to find who you are, because you've been all over the place. You chose to ignore data that doesn't fit your model. What you ALWAYS fail to factor is the initiative of Americans.

Well, it's near time for me to bid adu to the political threads, on SI. I stated before that Kerry had 2 weeks after the RNC to recover for this election. Kerry has lost even more ground than I thought could be possible. Two weeks ago, the IOWA ELECTRONICS MARKET had the contracts at nearly the same value. The people risking real money are seeing the handwriting on wall, and it isn't a forged document signed (maybe) by Killian.

128.255.244.60

This ends up being the worst run campaign since the Walter Mondale run for the WhiteHouse. Kerry has basically gone AWOL with his own campaign staff. His military record remains his own worst enemy. It's likely those records show; 1) That many of his awards in Vietnam were received as a result of papers that he himself submitted and weren't verified, 2) It appears there is some mess with regard to his discharge likely the result of something less than an Honorable Discharge. And where has point man John Edwards been? In the "other" America? Cause he sure hasn't been in this America much.

Kudos have to go to George Bush who is too stupid to put together an election staff to get himself reelected. (that was tongue in cheek) And a special thanks, from the heart of my bottom, has to go to Dan Rather for validating the power of bloogsphere. (That is NOT tongue in cheek).

I'll read from time to time but I find that the amount of time to keep up with the issues is too much, so I pretty much don't care to keep on top of what's true and what isn't.

What will be fun watching will be the left's implosion that has already been in full swing, but I suspect will become dramatic during October. CBS basically has started it, and the other mainstream media like ABC seizing the opportunity to discredit CBS will be the accomplice's. Next phase will when those willing left leaning mouthpieces to abandon Kerry in order to salvage THEIR credibility (so they don't end up like CBS). That should start in earnest about Oct 1st, after the 1st debate (Sept 30th), and they'll recognize that there will be NO WAY to salvage this election. I also say Rather is gone by Oct 1st.

Enjoy,
Jim



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/15/2004 4:03:11 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
$3 Trillion Price Tag Left Out As Bush Details His Agenda
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By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 14, 2004; Page A01

The expansive agenda President Bush laid out at the Republican National Convention was missing a price tag, but administration figures show the total is likely to be well in excess of $3 trillion over a decade.

A staple of Bush's stump speech is his claim that his Democratic challenger, John F. Kerry, has proposed $2 trillion in long-term spending, a figure the Massachusetts senator's campaign calls exaggerated. But the cost of the new tax breaks and spending outlined by Bush at the GOP convention far eclipses that of the Kerry plan.

Bush's pledge to make permanent his tax cuts, which are set to expire at the end of 2010 or before, would reduce government revenue by about $1 trillion over 10 years, according to administration estimates. His proposed changes in Social Security to allow younger workers to invest part of their payroll taxes in stocks and bonds could cost the government $2 trillion over the coming decade, according to the calculations of independent domestic policy experts.

And Bush's agenda has many costs the administration has not publicly estimated. For instance, Bush said in his speech that he would continue to try to stabilize Iraq and wage war on terrorism. The war in Iraq alone costs $4 billion a month, but the president's annual budget does not reflect that cost.

Bush's platform highlights the challenge for both presidential candidates in trying to lure voters with attractive government initiatives at a time of mounting budget deficits. This year's federal budget deficit will reach a record $422 billion, and the government is expected to accumulate $2.3 trillion in new debt over the next 10 years, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reported last week.

The president has had little to say about the deficit as he barnstorms across the country, which has prompted Democrats and some conservative groups to say Bush refuses to admit there will not be enough money in government coffers to pay for many of his plans.

Although a majority of voters say they are concerned about the deficit, most view Kerry as only marginally better able to deal with it than Bush, according to polls. And Bush often invokes the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in justifying the mounting governmental red ink. The president's aides, ever cognizant of his father's failure to articulate a convincing vision, said it was crucial for Bush to offer an ambitious new plan for the coming four years, despite the surge in government borrowing.

Bush-Cheney campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said the new proposals "are affordable, and the president remains committed to cutting the budget deficit in half over the next five years," although last week's CBO report indicates that goal may not be attainable.

The White House has declined to provide a full and detailed accounting of the cost of the new agenda. The administration last week provided a partial listing of the previously unannounced proposals, including "opportunity zones," that totaled $74 billion in spending over the next 10 years. But there was no mention of the cost of additional tax cuts and the creation of Social Security private accounts. Discussing his agenda during an "Ask the President" campaign forum in Portsmouth, Ohio, Bush said Friday that he has "explained how we're going to pay for it, and my opponent can't explain it because he doesn't want to tell you he's going to have to tax you."

Some fiscal conservatives who are dismayed by the return of budget deficits found little to cheer in the president's convention speech. Stephen Moore, president of the conservative Club for Growth, said that Bush's Social Security plan was money well spent by saving the system in the long run, but he added that Bush "has banked his presidency on the idea that people don't really care about the deficit, and he may be right."

"He's a big-government Republican, and there's no longer even the pretense that he's for smaller government," Moore said.

Kerry cited the deficit figures as fresh evidence that Bush's tax cuts were reckless and that he is taking the country in "the wrong direction."

The administration has been secretive about the cost of the war and the likely impact that the bulging defense budget and continuing cost of tax cuts will have on domestic spending next year. The White House put government agencies on notice this month that if Bush is reelected, his budget for 2006 may include $2.3 billion in spending cuts from virtually all domestic programs not mandated by law, including education, homeland security and others central to Bush's campaign.

But Bush has had little to say about belt-tightening and sacrifice on the campaign trail. Nor has he explained how he would reconcile all his new spending plans with the mounting deficit.

Jason Furman, Kerry's economic policy director, said that Bush "wants to hide the true costs of his plan" and that taxpayers "would be shocked" to find out what he was really advocating.

"The Bush team has gotten a lot of traction with the point that the Kerry numbers and rhetoric don't add up," said Kevin A. Hassett, director of economic policy studies at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. "It behooves them now to demonstrate that theirs do."

In his acceptance speech in Madison Square Garden on Sept. 2, the president called for the expansion of health savings accounts, which provide tax breaks for families and small businesses; creation of new tax-preferred retirement savings accounts; and creation of lifetime savings accounts, which allow tax-free savings for tuition, retirement or even everyday expenses.

The "Agenda for America" also includes increasing testing and accountability measures for high schools and opportunity zones to cut regulations and steer federal grants, loans and other aid to counties that have lost manufacturing and textile jobs -- a clear appeal to swing states such as Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia.

Bush has also promised to "ensure every poor county in America has a community or rural health center" and "double the number of people served by our principal job training program and increase funding for our community colleges."

A number of Bush's initiatives could have a big price tag. An estimate from the Social Security actuary's office, included in the 2001 report of a Social Security commission appointed by Bush, put the cost of adding private accounts to the government retirement program at $1.5 trillion over 10 years. With inflation, the figure would now be about $2 trillion. Much of the expense comes from continuing to pay most retirees at current benefit levels, at the same time that some payroll taxes are being diverted to the stock and bond market.

Although advocates of partial privatization contend that the transition can be financed without cutting benefits or raising taxes, the estimates mean the president's agenda could cost even more than the Bush projections of Kerry's proposal. Hassett, the AEI economist, said private accounts would lower the long-term cost of Social Security. "If you pay a few trillion in transition costs over a decade, then maybe the system doesn't go bankrupt," he said.

Bush also called for making permanent his tax cuts, which the administration has estimated at $936.2 billion to $989.75 billion over 10 years. The tax cuts include elimination of the inheritance tax, reductions in the top four income tax rates, an increase in the child tax credit, reduction in the marriage penalty, and cuts to the capital gains and dividend tax rates.

Robert Greenstein of the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities put the figure for extending the tax cuts at $2 trillion over 10 years and said other tax breaks Bush mentioned in his speech -- mostly related to health care -- would likely cost $50 billion to $100 billion over the next decade.

Another expensive part of Bush's agenda is the expansion of health savings accounts and creation of lifetime and retirement savings accounts. The new accounts are designed to have minimal cost in the first 10 years but have very large costs in the long run because they provide tax breaks when the money is withdrawn rather than up front.

The Congressional Research Service has estimated those two types of accounts would eventually cost $30 billion to $50 billion a year.

Peter R. Orszag, a senior fellow in economic policy at the Brookings Institution, said a conservative estimate for the cost of Bush's permanent tax cuts and Social Security accounts would be about $4 trillion over 10 years. But Bush's agenda was vague and did not include details of how he would add Social Security accounts.

"It's hard to cost out rhetoric," Orszag said.

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/15/2004 4:37:07 PM
From: Suma  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Did you happen to listen to Hersh on Hard Ball last night ?

He said we never can have Democracy and explained why. They hate us. After those pictures of the prisoners being tortured it was all over for our wonderful Democratic principles.. WE proved how perverted they could be.

He also talked about their patience for revenge. It's very scary because your children and mine and the future children they have will never be safe. There never will be an end to terrorism. We have only created more as more recruits are signing up to be suicide bombers.

We live in a dream world to think differently. War against Terrorism has become a farcical, chaotic conundrum.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/15/2004 7:52:16 PM
From: BubbaFred  Respond to of 89467
 
Here is an interesting perpective on similarity between the supreme leader power structure in the US and that in Iran. Just different names and cloaks. Or, it's trending to be that way.

The Structure of Power in the US... in 2010:
iranchamber.com

COUNCIL OF GUARDIANS
The Council of Guardians is a high office within the constitution of the Christian Republic of America which has the authority to interpret the constitution and to determine if the laws passed by the parliament are in line with the constitution of America or not. As such, the Council itself is not a legislative body, but it has veto power over the American parliament. Its members are composed of Christian clerics and lawyers.

siliconinvestor.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/16/2004 4:17:59 PM
From: FrozenZ  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
My sister's son at age 26 is mad at her for ruining his life. I don't think she set out to ruin his life, she had the best intentions, some things just turned out differently than she had planned.

Similarly, I don't think GWB set out to ruin America. After 911, America struck out blindly in fear. Formed an angry mob behind GWB and bombed some Arabs. Stabbed at a hornets nest with assault tanks and bombs.

Years from now when the younger generation is mad at us for ruining America I hope they understand it was never our intention that things happen the way they did.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/17/2004 12:48:27 AM
From: t2  Respond to of 89467
 
BUT I DONT REALLY MIND SO MUCH
I WANT THE CHIMP BUSHY TO BE SITTING IN THE WHITE HOUSE
WHEN THINGS FALL APART


That is why I also have mixed feelings on who I hope wins the election. Kerry should not be there to fix what Bush has screwed up badly. He will be facing a no win situation in Iraq. If he does win, the right wings will then start putting their spin machine in high gear in case things don't get better soon under Kerry in Iraq...they are probably going to get worse under either candidate.

They have done too much damage. Bush should be there for a 2nd term and that is the only way to shut up these people. Only after his second term can people finally see the light ...and then there will be hope for the future of this planet and real issues including the environment and nuclear weapons can finally be taken seriously. Blind faith in Republicans in so many states can finally be questioned then.

Invasion of Iraq--what a stupid idea--it amazes me how Bush supporters get on the offensive in defending it. Can the people really wake up see through this nonsense. Forget about Iran and N. Korea at this point; they have a free ticked to develop their nuclear programs....all thanks to Iraq.

You know what these guys were thinking. Get rid of Saddam means cheap oil and lots of contracts for American companies. It also represented unfinished business from Bush Sr. It is unbelievable how they are able to convince Americans that it was anything different. The world did not believe Bush then and they still don't.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (56047)9/29/2004 2:00:23 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Growing Pessimism on Iraq
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Doubts Increase Within U.S. Security Agencies
By Dana Priest and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 29, 2004; Page A01

A growing number of career professionals within national security agencies believe that the situation in Iraq is much worse, and the path to success much more tenuous, than is being expressed in public by top Bush administration officials, according to former and current government officials and assessments over the past year by intelligence officials at the CIA and the departments of State and Defense.

While President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and others have delivered optimistic public appraisals, officials who fight the Iraqi insurgency and study it at the CIA and the State Department and within the Army officer corps believe the rebellion is deeper and more widespread than is being publicly acknowledged, officials say.

People at the CIA "are mad at the policy in Iraq because it's a disaster, and they're digging the hole deeper and deeper and deeper," said one former intelligence officer who maintains contact with CIA officials. "There's no obvious way to fix it. The best we can hope for is a semi-failed state hobbling along with terrorists and a succession of weak governments."

"Things are definitely not improving," said one U.S. government official who reads the intelligence analyses on Iraq.

"It is getting worse," agreed an Army staff officer who served in Iraq and stays in touch with comrades in Baghdad through e-mail. "It just seems there is a lot of pessimism flowing out of theater now. There are things going on that are unbelievable to me. They have infiltrators conducting attacks in the Green Zone. That was not the case a year ago."

This weekend, in a rare departure from the positive talking points used by administration spokesmen, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell acknowledged that the insurgency is strengthening and that anti-Americanism in the Middle East is increasing. "Yes, it's getting worse," he said of the insurgency on ABC's "This Week." At the same time, the U.S. commander for the Middle East, Gen. John P. Abizaid, told NBC's "Meet the Press" that "we will fight our way through the elections." Abizaid said he believes Iraq is still winnable once a new political order and the Iraqi security force is in place.

Powell's admission and Abizaid's sobering warning came days after the public disclosure of a National Intelligence Council (NIC) assessment, completed in July, that gave a dramatically different outlook than the administration's and represented a consensus at the CIA and the State and Defense departments.

In the best-case scenario, the NIC said, Iraq could be expected to achieve a "tenuous stability" over the next 18 months. In the worst case, it could dissolve into civil war.

The July assessment was similar to one produced before the war and another in late 2003 that also were more pessimistic in tone than the administration's portrayal of the resistance to the U.S. occupation, according to senior administration officials. "All say they expect things to get worse," one former official said.

One official involved in evaluating the July document said the NIC, which advises the director of central intelligence, decided not to include a more rosy scenario "because it looked so unreal."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan, and other White House spokesmen, called the intelligence assessment the work of "pessimists and naysayers" after its outlines were disclosed by the New York Times.

President Bush called the assessment a guess, which drew the consternation of many intelligence officials. "The CIA laid out several scenarios," Bush said on Sept. 21. "It said that life could by lousy. Life could be okay. Life could be better. And they were just guessing as to what the conditions might be like."

Two days later, Bush reworded his response. "I used an unfortunate word, 'guess.' I should have used 'estimate.' "

"And the CIA came and said, 'This is a possibility, this is a possibility, and this is a possibility,' " Bush continued. "But what's important for the American people to hear is reality. And the reality's right here in the form of the prime minister. And he is explaining what is happening on the ground. That's the best report."

Rumsfeld, who once dismissed the insurgents as "dead-enders," still offers a positive portrayal of prospects and progress in Iraq but has begun to temper his optimism in public. "The path towards liberty is not smooth there; it never has been," he said before the Senate Armed Services Committee last week. "And my personal view is that a fair assessment requires some patience and some perspective."

This week, conservative columnist Robert D. Novak criticized the CIA and Paul Pillar, a national intelligence officer on the NIC who supervised the preparation of the assessment. Novak said comments Pillar made about Iraq during a private dinner in California showed that he and others at the CIA are at war with the president. Recent and current intelligence officials interviewed over the last two days dispute that view.

"Pillar is the ultimate professional," said Daniel Byman, an intelligence expert and Georgetown University professor who has worked with Pillar. "If anything, he's too soft-spoken."

"I'm not surprised if people in the administration were put on the defensive," said one CIA official, who like many others interviewed would speak only anonymously, either because they don't have official authorization to speak or because they worry about ramifications of criticizing top administration officials. "We weren't trying to make them look bad, we're just trying to give them information. Of course, we're telling them something they don't want to hear."

As for a war between the CIA and White House, said one intelligence expert with contacts at the CIA, the State Department and the Pentagon, "There's a real war going on here that's not just" the CIA against the administration on Iraq "but the State Department and the military" as well.

National security officials acknowledge that the upcoming presidential election also seems to have distorted the public debate on Iraq.

"Everyone says Iraq certainly has turned out to be more intense than expected, especially the intensity of nationalism on the part of the Iraqi people," said Steven Metz, chairman of the regional strategy and planning department at the U.S. Army War College. But, he added, "I don't think the political discourse that we're in the middle of accurately reflects anything. There's a supercharged debate on both sides, a movement to out-state each side."

Reports from Iraq have made one Army staff officer question whether adequate progress is being made there.

"They keep telling us that Iraqi security forces are the exit strategy, but what I hear from the ground is that they aren't working," he said. "There's a feeling that Iraqi security forces are in cahoots with the insurgents and the general public to get the occupiers out."

He added: "I hope I'm wrong."
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Staff writers Walter Pincus and Robin Wright contributed to this report.

© 2004 The Washington Post Company

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