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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (146014)	9/20/2004 5:27:55 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

I used to hate novak on a personal level but now i will have to change my opinion now that he is stealing my stuff. There will be no second american vietnam. That was the real lesson of the vietnam. Yesterday i listened to mccain and hagel who, if this is true, are far more hawkish than bush. They talk 5-10 year effort. Even if that, done right, guarantees a good result, the american people do not have the patience for it. There are more important places to be concerned with in the WOT and yes we did eliminate one of the axis of evil regimes and say what you will, it will take decades for sunni baathists and sunni terrorists to reconstitute that threat, assuming one or both come out on top which is also unlikely. Mike

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (146014)	9/20/2004 6:17:04 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Alastair McIntosh; Re Novak reporting a quick exit from Iraq... Interesting news. I've been saying that one of my reasons for voting for Bush is that I believe that he will get us out of Iraq faster than Kerry. That is, Kerry believes that he is a genius who can win the war that Bush is losing: "Sen. John Kerry's political aides, still languishing in fantastic speculation about European troops to the rescue, do not even ponder a quick exit." Bush, on the other hand, has had his aura of "competence" already removed, and personally knows how hard it would be to get Europe to send troops into Iraq. Any sudden increase in troop level in Iraq will only be accompanied by an approximately proportional increase in death toll among the occupying forces. Iraq is an unwinnable war, and eventually we will have to run with our tail between our legs. More quotes from the fascinating article: Whether Bush or Kerry is elected, the president or president-elect will have to sit down immediately with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The military will tell the election winner there are insufficient U.S. forces in Iraq to wage effective war. That leaves three realistic options: Increase overall U.S. military strength to reinforce Iraq, stay with the present strength to continue the war, or get out. Well-placed sources in the administration are confident Bush's decision will be to get out. suntimes.com The simple fact is that the fiasco in Iraq has reduced the President's ability to use military force everywhere in the world. If we're not winning, then we're wasting lives and losing opportunities. After 18 months, it's clear we're not winning. -- Carl

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (146014)	9/21/2004 2:15:12 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Quick withdrawal next year is a possibility. Bush would be a sitting duck, able to do whatever he wants. Kerry would have no political problems with a withdrawal, too, depending on which side of the bed he awoke on. This election is one of the worst I've ever seen, one presenting such ugly choices in Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan, not to mention for the US economy, that I think the loser might ultimately be grateful for having lost. Rather than dealing with issues, we are fascinated with the candidates' Vietnam experience and some forgeries an idiotic CBS may have used in a botched attempt to help Kerry. Are the ghosts of Vietnam and Watergate coming back to haunt us? C2@whistlingpastthegraveyard.com