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To: Suma who wrote (146189)	9/22/2004 3:16:08 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

War is peace _____________________________ SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD Wednesday, September 22, 2004 President Bush delivered his campaign stump speech in yet another venue yesterday, the United Nations, as he again attempted to defend the U.S. invasion of Iraq -- this time to the international body he'd said would become little more than a debating society if it failed to follow his call to war in Iraq. Bush repeated his theme that salvation and stability for the Middle East could be accomplished by outside powers imposing democracy at the point of a gun. He said Afghanistan and Iraq "will be a model for the broader Middle East." In a familiar effort to justify the U.S.-led war against Iraq, the president tried to have it both ways on the role of the United Nations. "The Security Council promised serious consequences for his (Saddam Hussein's) defiance. And the commitments we make must have meaning," he said. "When we say serious consequences, for the sake of peace there must be serious consequences." At issue, of course, is not the legitimacy of the Security Council's promise of serious consequences for Iraq's non-compliance but the United States' usurpation of the decision to impose those consequences. As U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said prior to Bush's address, "Those who seek to bestow legitimacy must themselves embody it, and those who invoke international law must themselves submit to it." Despite Bush's invasion of Iraq in what Annan now calls an illegal war, the president said yesterday that U.N. members must "do more" to help in Iraq. "Each of us alone can only do so much," Bush said. "Together we can accomplish so much more." For a president who waged pre-emptive war in Iraq in defiance of the United Nations, citing now disproved weapons threats and now discredited terrorist connections, it seems a lesson learned too late. seattlepi.nwsource.com

To: Suma who wrote (146189)	9/22/2004 3:19:09 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Suma: The faulty intel Bush relied upon....whose conclusions were supported by every major intel service on the planet....and also supported by the former US Pres., Congressional leaders, etc...warnings from Putin, Saddam's failure to comply with UNSCR on the matter and his suspicious activity and the readjustment of what constitutes an acceptable risk in national security terms post 9/11 all factored into the decision AND can not legitimately be called "lies" under any rational thought process......