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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: JBTFD who wrote (18092)	9/30/2004 8:24:30 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

It wasn't expected that Bush and co would thumb their noses at our prevous allies like Germany and France. Maybe it should have been projected that that would happen. But it wasn't. Ahh, but you forget that Bush went to the UN in September 2002, congress voted to authorize force in October, and the UN security council passed 1441 in November. Bush didn't thumb his nose at anyone. At the time, everyone was playing nice - or perhaps in France's case, pretending to play nice. France later became the leader of the efforts to block the use of force and they said very clearly in February or March that they would veto ANY new resolution the US proposed. Germany, which has no veto power, was playing domestic politics - it was easy for Shroeder to pander to anti-war voters and anti-American sentiment at home because he knew France was going to veto anyway and he needed the votes. And Russia, well, they were as in bed with Saddam as France. It should be clear to anyone with a working brain that France was dead set on protecting Saddam. Oil-for-food related bribes was at least part of the motivation. In any case, again, Bush didn't thumb his nose at our allies - Chiraq thumbed his nose at us and Shroeder said "Ich bin mit ihm. Stimme für mich." And remember, many more of our allies were with us. England, Spain, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland and on and on down the list. Next myth.

To: JBTFD who wrote (18092)	10/1/2004 1:17:58 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

I see, when the facts prove you wrong, change the parameters & claim you are still right. And those new parameters were more revisionist history. That's the problem I have with folks like you. Anything goes. Your personal opinion rock solid fact. Facts are malleable. History can be revised at will. When presented with evidence that refutes your POV, change the parameters of the debate & revise more history. You can never lose in your fungible world. I'm glad I live in the real world.