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To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (19733)	10/10/2004 10:36:41 AM
From: glenn_a	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 110194

Hi Darffot. Fair enough. Certainly the science needs to be judged on its own merits. But I wouldn't necessarily say that the issue is "first and foremost is to ascertain if & when peak oil becomes a mainstream issue". I mean, if one was primarily interested in ascertaining the validity of the peak oil argument, that would be the first and foremost issue. However, I think it's fair game to speculate as to the potential implications of a peak oil scenario on the important geopolitical events of our time, and to see if it - along the lines of Occam's Razor - provides more elegant and simplified explanataions of the evidence at hand. I actually don't follow Ruppert's stuff all that closely, but I don't believe he has ever presented himself as a peak-oil scientist. Rather, he is obviously impressed with the peak-oil case and evidence, and uses it to build a case to elaborate on a geopolitical context. I don't think one approach is necessarily subordinate to the other, but I do agree they are distinct endeavors. And, if as you put it the "geopolitical caca" does hit the fan, it may not take a genius to realize that there will be hell to pay, but it will have taken a heck of a lot of effort and due diligence by Ruppert and his ilk to make and promote the case of what amounts to a criminal act of treason, conspiracy (as it is legally defined), and multiple crimes against humanity. Regards, Glenn

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (19733)	10/10/2004 1:04:01 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 110194

Hi Darffot, Re: Heinberg and Darley have done a much better job than Ruppert in terms of isolating peak oil from politics. Politics and petroleum are inextricably linked. U.S. foreign policy is completely driven by energy considerations. It seems to me that you praise the very ivory tower approach to petroleum production that ought to be avoided as being too naive to be useful for the analysis of the petroleum market and the future of the world's economy. Michael Klare sees this clearly, and writes about it in his book, "Resource Wars". The basic premise is that the next few decades will see a continuing series of wars for resources. I concur. Separating petroleum industry statistics from this overall reality seems to be less than useful. *** Re: imo. first and foremost is to ascertain if & when peak oil becomes a mainstream issue. Perhaps you missed it, but over the summer the National Geographic Magazine had a cover story about Peak Oil. You can't get more mainstream than that, IMHO. The other newsmagazines are also now covering the peak oil concept in articles of varying length and quality.

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (19733)	10/10/2004 9:24:19 PM
From: ferrogy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 110194

Darffot, Raymond Duray "Perhaps you missed it, but over the summer the National Geographic Magazine had a cover story about Peak Oil. You can't get more mainstream than that, IMHO. The other newsmagazines are also now covering the peak oil concept in articles of varying length and quality" You might be getting the press but Joe6Pack does not get it. (IMHO) For about the last six months I have been talking to people about peak oil and what it means, call it an informal survey. Here are the normal responses...(condensed) 1.Don't believe it (a way for someone to make more money) 2.We'll find more (I can give them quick facts on this one but unless they are willing to go out and read most I'm afraid do not believe me) 3.The earth will make more (no joke)(Most people I've talked to have no idea how oil is formed. Alot think that it formed recently, they think in terms of hundreds or thousands of years not tens of millions. I try not to show a reaction to this but this group wins my Tinfoil Cap Award. The most difficult fact for most people to wrap their brain around is this... Our (modern) civilization is totally built on OIL. It is the enormity of the implications of that one statement makes it difficult for an individual to grasp. (even those of us who are studying it.) Please STOP and do this, Turn around and LOOK at the room you are in, take some time to look at all the objects in the room. EVERYTHING you just looked at was in some way touched by OIL. Until Joe6Pack can look at his room (world) and UNDERSTAND what peak oil will do to him or his family it is NOT a "mainstream reality". Off my soapbox, Steve