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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (76829)	10/12/2004 10:07:28 AM
From: Murrey Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793812

Yet the President claims he is steadfast and is solidly behind religious zealots. Would you substantiate that statement, Mary? Specifically the zealot aspect.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (76829)	10/12/2004 10:24:01 AM
From: SBHX	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793812

If someone votes against a ban on partial birth abortions, that says a lot about where he draws the line in the abortion debate. Partial birth abortion or Intrauterine Cranial Decompression is usually performed in the 6th month onwards when premature birth would have been viable. You basically partially pull out the fetus and use a vaccum tube to suck out the brain contents. The head collapses and the carcass is removed. Kerry is an intelligent man, Kerry understands this, and Kerry voted against this ban. This position is so far left of the democratic party that even most democratic congressmen would find it unacceptable. In fact, they did, the Senate voted 63-34, and the House voted 281-142 for the ban on Dec17 2003. Kerry voted against this ban. Abortion is one of those no win arguments that should be about balancing personal choice and responsibility, but in the last trimester, this is where a vast majority of people in the world feel it is very clearly wrong. Where you draw a line says a lot about where you stand on this debate. To try to mask where you drew that line says even more about how truthful you are about defending your record.

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (76829)	10/12/2004 12:42:09 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793812

The Pope is not condemning Catholic politicians for upholding the law with respect to protecting abortion clinics and abortion doctors from violence and other illegal acts. He is condemning them for not using their office to promote making abortion illegal. Voting in favor of abortion is a violation of the central tenets of the Catholic faith. That's non-negotiable. Catholic dogma does not condemn all wars -- there is a well developed ethical philosophy concerning just wars -- and well there should be, given the events one reads about in the Old Testament. Similarly, Catholic dogma does not say that murderers can never be executed. However, Catholic dogma does say that abortion is always morally wrong, and it's quite strict. There is not even an exception to save the life of the mother, although the child can be removed from the womb if medically necessary, not intended to kill the child but save the mother, and all steps are taken to preserve the life of the child if possible. You cannot be a Catholic and actively work to keep abortion legal. If your conscience tells you to work for abortion, then you are a Protestant, and should not partake of Catholic sacraments. And if you actually work to promote abortions, you are excommunicated. As I understand it, by voting in favor of abortion, Kerry is excommunicated.