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To: michael97123 who wrote (147719)	10/13/2004 9:18:43 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I will retract my original reply because i fell into a trap in answering. I had no idea that asking whether conservatives believe that an arms treaty without verification was a trap. Other than it illustrated the inconsistency. Democrats may have been more right about nation building prior to 9/11 but quickly have given this up because of their general pacifist nature. They will fight a war in serbia with zero casualties but once the going gets tough the democrats are against it. If we intervened in the sudan as some democrats and republicans want and things went badly, the democrats would be holloring at bush. If bush went in under blue hat leadership, and their was violence and losses, dems would then change their minds on the UN. Before iraq many dems were yelling about afganistan where casualties were light. But in contrast with iraq, they now are all for it. If you can make sense of democrat paranoia and schizophrenia(P&S), go for it. Nation building is a bitch. It's hard. Nation building in Haiti is hard, and it's on a small island. Russia turned willingly to democracy, there wasn't a violent upheaval or a civil war. Gorby just flipped the government on its head. And the US supports the democratization of Russia through investment, etc. And it's still hard. Gorby, to Yeltsin, to Putin has gotten worse. It's damn hard. Moving to the mid-east. Is there a country in the mid-east that would have been harder to nation build than Iraq. I can't see a single country in the mid-east that would have been a greater challenge. Iran would be easier as it has some moderates. Kuwait, Q'atar, Egypt, Saudi Arabia. Who could you pick in the mid-east that's a worse problem in nation building than Iraq? If you believe in the domino notion of democracy, i.e, Iraq will become a model of democracy copied by the countries in the mid-east, why wouldn't it work if you picked on Jordan or Egypt? jttmab