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To: Lane3 who wrote (77140)	10/13/2004 12:48:58 PM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793771

Please explain to me, one intelligent person to another, how someone who recognizes an enemy threatening his country yet walks away from the fight solely because he doesn't trust and respect the new CIC can be called a patriot? Not whether an exodus is natural or reasonable or inevitable or smart--but whether it's patriotic. The label, patriotic, is the only thing in question. I suggest you take those questions to John Kerry. Kerry is the only US Military Officer I know with personal experience in walking away from a fight and abandoning his men and command on a battlefield. Edit Kerry thinks his actions were patriotic. He says he is proud of them

To: Lane3 who wrote (77140)	10/13/2004 1:07:52 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793771

>>Please explain to me, one intelligent person to another, how someone who recognizes an enemy threatening his country yet walks away from the fight solely because he doesn't trust and respect the new CIC can be called a patriot? Your first duty is to yourself and your family. If you don't think the CIC is going to protect you, or your family, then you stay home.

To: Lane3 who wrote (77140)	10/18/2004 8:07:38 AM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793771

res-Please explain to me, one intelligent person to another, how someone who recognizes an enemy threatening his country yet walks away from the fight solely because he doesn't trust and respect the new CIC can be called a patriot? Not whether an exodus is natural or reasonable or inevitable or smart--but whether it's patriotic. The label, patriotic, is the only thing in question. Karen, often service men and women are faced with a choice. They can elect to stay in past their twenty years, or retire. They can elect to get out because of the way they are treated, the way they are paid, and a myriad of other reasons. Getting out of the service doesn't make one unpatriotic. Currently, there are many people serving who have decided to stay in because they believe in the vision of George W. Bush. That being, that now is the time to get at as many of these terrorists as possible and end the threat before our children grow up and have to fight them 10-15 years from now. It's painfully obvious to anyone who has been following John Kerry's myriad of twisted logic statements that he truly does not believe in this war on terrorism. He does not believe we need to fight them now, and he is more than willing to place the interests of America at the behest of the United Nations. If the American people elect this slick-talking charlatan, then they will have elected someone who doesn't believe in fighting the war on terrorism. No matter how many times John Kerry says "I want to kill the terrorists", he is as phony as a 3-dollar bill. And service men and women know it. So, some service men and women will simply say, damn, I might as well get out, since the American people have chosen not to fight by electing John Kerry. Maybe they are right, maybe we should just let the terrorists grow and fester in the heart of places like the Middle East, and deal with them in a decade or two when we have another 9/11 or worse. Perhaps then, they will finally wake up and deal with what we should have dealt with today. Electing John Kerry is therefore similar to electing to place your head in the preverbal sand and pretend things are just fine. Like we did in the late 90's when the signs were everywhere. We could do that, and we will no doubt survive as a nation. The cost could be much higher down the road, or maybe we will simply get lucky. One never knows for sure. But one thing is for certain, if we are ever going to successfully win this war against terrorists, we must have a leader who truly believes in the cause. Half-hearted efforts will not cut it, half-hearted efforts will only get more people killed. And no one wants to die for a half-hearted effort, by a leader who doesn't believe in the cause.