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To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/14/2004 11:34:23 AM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
It's astonishing how the cognoscenti fail to connect the dots about how this impacts the "big picture" and reality about what's going. Instead the playbook just says, "sell this one, and buy something else, like retailers, or tech, or XLY consumer discretionary"

100% invested in stocks 100% of the time no matter how little sense it makes. No gold or silver or wheat or oil. Just "growth" stocks.

I looked at several of the "growth" funds that my wifes plan could choose from. None of them had anything related to energy in them. Thay had crap like CSCO and INTC and MSFT and YHOO.
Made me want to puke.

Mish



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/14/2004 2:11:54 PM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 116555
 
AIG is getting clobbered over this.
cbs.marketwatch.com

2:54pm 10/14/04

New York Atty Gen files charges against insurance firms (MMC, CB, HIG, AIG) By August Cole
NEW YORK (CBS.MW) -- The New York Attorney General's office has filed charges against Marsh & McLennan (MMC) , Chubb Corp. (CB) , Hartford Financial Group (HIG) , American Internationl Group Inc. (AIG) , and Munich American for steering insurance business to preferred underwriters in return for payments. Two executives from AIG admitted to antitrust fraud, New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said Thursday during a televised press conference.



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/14/2004 2:36:16 PM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
Treasury suspends debt issuance to state, local gov´ts
Thursday, October 14, 2004 6:15:32 PM
afxpress.com

Treasury suspends debt issuance to state, local gov'ts WASHINGTON (AFX) -- The Treasury Department has suspended sales of State and Local Government series (SLGS) nonmarketable Treasury securities in order to prevent the federal government from reaching the $7.38 trillion debt ceiling. Earlier in the day, the department announced that the government could operate until mid-November without raising the debt limit if special measures were taken. Lawmakers are expected to return to Washington after the Nov. 2 elections to hold a special "lame duck" session to ensure the government continues running



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/14/2004 7:52:13 PM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 116555
 
flipping houses
money.cnn.com

It's one thing to buy a house to call home. It's quite another to buy property with the sole purpose of turning around and reselling for a profit.

It's called flipping, and in the coming months, a dozen aspiring real estate investors experience this firsthand -- on camera, no less -- as they attempt to buy, remodel and sell property within a period of six months.

Flipping is the subject of an upcoming reality television series with the working title "Property Ladder," scheduled to appear on The Learning Channel in May 2005.

"Everyone you talk to seems to know someone who has tried to flip property," said Char Serwa, the show's executive producer. In California, where most of show's subjects are buying, 2.6 percent of all houses sold during the month of May were owned for less than six months, according to DataQuick Information Systems, up from 1.9 percent the previous year.



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/14/2004 8:04:02 PM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 116555
 
FCC eases high-speed Internet rules -
Thursday, October 14, 2004 7:48:21 PM
afxpress.com

WASHINGTON (AFX) - Federal regulators on Thursday adopted rules meant to accelerate the spread of new technologies that deliver hyperfast Internet connections, including one that enables utilities to offer it over power lines. The decision by the Federal Communications Commission could hasten efforts to renovate power lines to carry video, phone and super-fast Web connections. Regulators hope utilities will eventually rival the big phone and cable companies, driving down prices for consumers

At the same time, the Bell local phone companies were granted relief in the form of a new FCC rule that makes it easier to replace copper wires with fiber. By upgrading to fiber networks, the Bells stand a better chance of fending off competition from cable companies and even future power line providers

Michael Powell, Republican chairman of the FCC, said the rules are aimed at speeding up the construction of high-speed networks

His point was illustrated shortly after the FCC vote, when SBC Communications said it would "dramatically" speed up its plan to construct a fiber-based network that reaches 18 million households

Electric issue The power line decision was meant to address concerns about interference. The FCC set specific rules for power companies on how to avoid interference, especially with amateur radio operators

The agency avoided the imposition of stricter rules regarding emergency 911, disability access and contributions to universal service, a fund that subsidizes phone service in areas where it is expensive to deliver

"By crafting a minimal regulatory framework," Powell said, the FCC is advancing a pro-competition agenda that will make high-speed Internet access a reality for almost every American. He noted that power lines go into nearly every U.S. home

Yet critics such as FCC Commissioner Michael Copps, a Democrat, argued that the agency's failure to address the stickier issues might actually hinder growth of power line technology. He said the threat of future regulation may make investors leery of getting involved

"If we want investment in broadband over power line, we need certainty and predictability," he said

Fiber rules Copps also objected to a new rule that exempts fiber "loops" in all residential neighborhoods from an FCC requirement that guarantees open access to competing Internet service providers

The local loop is the mass of wires that extend from the nearest central switching office of a local phone company to the homes and businesses it serves

The new exemption only applies to high-speed Internet service delivered by fiber connections to homes. It expands on a prior rule that exempted new residential developments hooked up with fiber

Yet network operators still have to let rivals use copper and fiber wires to sell regular phone service to consumers. That rule stems from a major 1996 law whose aim was to foster competition in the local phone market

Still, the vote reflects a victory for the Bells. They have argued that there's little incentive to spend big bucks to replace copper with fiber if rivals can use those fiber connections as well. Fiber offers much greater Internet speeds and the promise of new services such as pay TV over phone lines

The three Republicans on the five-member FCC board proved sympathetic to that argument. They say fiber loops ought to be exempted so investment won't get stifled

Still, the FCC board did require the local carriers to ensure that the fiber loops extend to within 500 feet of residential homes

Industry reaction Copps and fellow Democrat Jonathan Adelstein said the rule is a setback to competition

"The local loop represents the prized last mile of communications," Copps said. "Putting it beyond the reach of competitors can only entrench incumbents who already hold sway." Consumer groups also blasted the decision

"The FCC today took our country one giant step closer toward solidifying a two-company domination -- the local cable and telephone providers -- over the consumer Internet market," said Gene Kimmelman, senior policy director of Consumers Union

The Bells, on the other hand, reacted with jubilation

Shortly after the FCC vote, SBC said it will "dramatically accelerate" plans to build a fiber-based network "in two to three years rather than five years as previously announced." The fiber would replace copper in many parts of the network and offer the promise of "super high-speed data, video and voice services," SBC said



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/14/2004 8:09:19 PM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 116555
 
A different idea from Sonnypage

Most of you know that my wife and I are realtors. We live and work on Atlanta's north side in the suburbs of Roswell and Alpharetta. This morning we headed out to preview a new home subdivision called "The Manor". This is out in north Fulton county, close to the Cherokee county line. We stopped at the new home center and met with Julie, one of the site agents. The Manor is very unscale, homes "start" in the mid "7's", with the "8's" and "9's" more common, with plenty over a $million. They are just getting started and will have 450 homes when finished. Julie showed us plans for a very elaborate swim/tennis center, both indoor and outdoor, plus a Tom Watson 18 hole golf course. He was actually out there today checking on the new course going in and we apparently just missed him. As we left, we mentioned that we new Henley, a member of their builder group.Julie agreed with us that he was one of the best. My wife and I have known Henley and his wife for many years and have done several transactions with him. As we drove through the subdivision checking out the new homes going up, I spotted what looked like Henley's truck. Sure enough, the sign in front of the site was his. We pulled over and went in and found Henley wrapping up a meeting with one of his subs. We were glad to see each other and Henley was more than pleased to give us a tour of his latest creation. His father was and still is a gifted sculptor. The genes were apparently passed down for Henley's homes are truly works of art. We asked if he was free to let us take him to lunch. He was and we headed off to a restaurant nearby that he suggested.

Over lunch, Henley complained that his cost of materials had gone up about 30% over the past year. As an example, cost of lumber, from year end 2003 to June of this year, up 40%!! I commented that all of the government inflation figures show inflation as quite tame. We both just shook our heads. Can he pass the costs on? So far yes, at least in the high end which is all he now builds. Home appreciation in Atlanta has been much more subdued than in other parts of the country. It varies around different parts of the city, but stories of doubles in two years in other cities and states leave me stunned. Not here. Perhaps 6% or 8% a year, but again, it varies.

Then Costa Rica came up. They had just returned the night before from one of their trips down there. Henley is a very enthusiastic sports fisherman. He and his wife Pam go down several times a year with their young children. About three years ago, he built a couple of duplexes down there and turned a nice profit. Then did it again. Now he has bought some more lots and plans to build three single family homes. Who are his buyers, I asked, Americans or Europeans? Strictly Americans, he said, and more are coming down all the time. They buy second homes, retirement homes, or perhaps second homes that will one day be retirement homes. We both agreed that the rapid price run ups in Florida are way ahead of themselves. Smart money is now buying in Costa Rica, no hurricanes, just the occasional mild earthquake! Once you have a home, the actual cost of living there is very reasonable. It is well below what it is here. Henley says that an American can live well on not that much more than his social security, and very well indeed if he has more. Henley's plan? In a few years, move his family down there. He could build a couple of houses a year down there and "live like a king" off the income, plus sock away retirement money. Looking a little further down the road he thinks that Nicaragua, just to the north, is next, once Costa Rica becomes overpriced. We both think that many American retirees will find their way down there as many have already.

As for my family, we are going down over Thanksgiving to check it out. Staying near Jaco, on the Pacific coast, and making day trips out from there. This is our first visit. We have planned and anticipated this for a year and it is almost here. Henley and Pam have given us many tips on the must see's and do's I'll let you all know how it goes when we get back.

As for investing,I still think that a falling dollar and higher inflation is coming soon to a country near you, especially if you are an American. I am still very long the precious metals miners. Might not hurt to let Henley find us some land in Costa Rica as well!

My best to you all.

sonnypage



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/14/2004 11:08:25 PM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
Japanese net buyers of foreign bonds last week, easing concern over US deficit
[to russ - I know I know - ggg]
Friday, October 15, 2004 2:34:16 AM
afxpress.com

TOKYO (AFX) - Japanese bought more foreign bonds than they sold last week, the Ministry of Finance (MoF) reported, easing concerns over whether a decline the previous two weeks marked the start of a worrisome trend

Japanese investors are a major force in the US government debt market, and their investment stance is closely watched for evidence of whether US Treasury yields and interest rates are likely to rise or fall due to the willingness of foreign investors to continue financing a large proportion of the US federal budget deficit

The US federal budget deficit widened to a record 413 bln usd in fiscal 2004, the Treasury Department announced overnight. Also overnight, the Commerce Department reported the US trade deficit widened to 54.0 bln usd in August, only slightly below the record 55.0 bln usd deficit set in June

Those trends fuel concern over whether the Japanese, one of the largest buyers of US debt, will keep buying US Treasurys if the US dollar begins to slide in value. The dollar fell against the yen in immediate reaction to news of the August trade deficit, which expanded 6.9 pct from a year earlier because of the surge in global oil prices. Analysts estimate 45 bln to 50 bln usd in foreign funds are needed each month to finance the US current account deficit, the broadest measure of the nation's global trade in goods, services and investment flows. MoF data released today showed Japanese investors were net buyers of 1.70 trln yen (15.54 bln usd) worth of foreign bonds in the past business week of Oct 4-8. Future data is likely to show the vast majority of that money was invested in US Treasurys, judging from past data

Japanese had been net sellers over the last two weeks of September, and data release on Thursday showed they were net buyers of only 117.6 bln yen worth of foreign bonds last month

This was down from a surprisingly large 2.69 trln yen in August. That was the highest monthly figure since May 2003, a month before the yield on the Japanese benchmark 10-year bond hit an all-time low of 0.41 pct, prompting Japanese institutional investors to look overseas for higher returns



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/15/2004 12:02:17 AM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 116555
 
NZealand yr to Sept inflation hits 18-month high
Friday, October 15, 2004 2:46:18 AM
afxpress.com

WELLINGTON (AFX) - Inflation in New Zealand reached 2.5 pct in the year to September, its fastest pace in 18 months, Statistics New Zealand said

The consumer price index rose 0.6 pct in the September quarter. Economists said the data may give the central Reserve Bank further cause to hike interest rates twice more this year. The bank is next due to consider interest rates on October 28

ANZ economist John Bolsover said today's numbers would give no comfort to the Reserve Bank. He said the Quarterly Survey of Business Opinion out this week showed ongoing price pressures arising from the labor market and full capacity utilization. "It's just another in a string of strong releases," he said



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/15/2004 12:09:17 AM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 116555
 
Daily Reckoning

House prices on the West Coast have "flattened," according
the L.A. Times. We have no word from the other coast... but
the house builders' stocks are going down.

Here in London, prices seem to be going down, too.

Three busts are coming:

A bust in China - the country has been adding capacity for demand that does not really exist.

A bust in the United States - consumers have been buying
things (often from China) that they don't need with money
they haven't got.

A worldwide bust in property - goosed by the Fed's low
rates, it's gone up so far, in many areas, that the typical
householder can no longer afford the typical house.

How and when these busts happen, we don't know. But the
bust in American consumer spending threatens to be more
painful than we expected. For as it turns out, consumers
have not only been buying things they don't need with money
they don't have, but things they do need too.

"Today people are incurring a more dangerous kind of debt,"
says Tamara Draut, director of economic opportunity
programs at Demos, a public policy organization in New York
that's conducting a nationwide study of Americans and debt.

"People are living paycheck to paycheck, and after they've
paid the bills, everything else - like groceries or back-to-school clothes - goes on the credit card," Draut adds. "Credit cards are picking up the slack in the household budget."

This new kind of credit card debt is called "survival
debt." The savings rate fell to only 1.3% last year.
Without savings, every setback must be met with debt.
Little by little, people get in the habit of putting
everyday expenses on a credit card - groceries, rent, etc.
- and then waiting for a paycheck to keep up with the
payments. "The bills mount up," says Draut, "it's not just
the rate going forward, it's everything you purchased on
that card."

Survival debt is unlike other credit card debt in that it
is less easily curbed, say the debt counselors. You don't
have to take a trip to the Bahamas, they point out, but you
still have to pay the rent. You can't even put it off. Last
year, consumers charged $50.6 billion worth of household expenses on Visa alone - a 27% increase over 2002.

We are suspicious. In the article we read on "survival
debt," the authors mentioned cable TV as though it were an ordinary living expense, rather than a frivolous, and in our opinion obnoxious, luxury.

We recall a recent study of people "struggling" to get by
on $36,000 for a family of four. And yet we recall also our
story of Morning Naughten, whose family lived on only
$30,000 - and saved $500 each month! Did the poor woman's family go hungry? Did they shiver in the cold? Or did they merely have to make do without the purchasing power of credit cards or the cultural enrichment of cable television?

Americans may have less money to spend in the future. But
so what? Their problem has not been too little purchasing power, but too much. Would it be a bad thing if they spent less and saved more? Would it be a bad thing if house prices fell; perhaps they could afford to buy one, rather than simply making payments on an interest-only mortgage? Would it be a bad thing if stocks dropped to the point where they gave their owners a decent dividend yield?

We remain optimistic, as always. The coming busts will
crush the American consumer, we believe. He will be broken
and bent - but perhaps into a better shape.



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/15/2004 12:19:12 AM
From: mishedlo  Respond to of 116555
 
Bill Bonner, back in London for the Daily Reckoning:

*** "For the first time in the post-World War II era, the United States faces a future in which every major category of federal spending is projected to grow at least as fast as, or faster than, the economy for many years to come. That means not just pension and health care benefits for retiring 'baby boomers,' or increasing interest payments as
deficits and interest rates rise, but also appropriated or 'discretionary' spending for national defense, for foreign aid and for domestic homeland security programs," writes Pete Peterson.

*** "When the Asian financial crisis hit in 1997-98, the
U.S. Federal Reserve tolerated a liquidity boom that
spawned the Internet bubble. When the Internet bubble
burst, the Fed tolerated another wave of liquidity, which
has led to the global property bubble," says Andy Xie of
Morgan Stanley. And the debt bubble in Anglo-Saxon
countries. And the capital investment bubble in China.

"China's boom is itself partly the product of the Fed's super-lax monetary policy," concluded the economist. "With its currency pegged to the dollar, China has been forced to
import America's easy monetary conditions. Its [China's]
higher interest rates have attracted large inflows of
capital that have inflated domestic liquidity, encouraging excessive investment and bank lending in some sectors that could lead to a bust."

*** Busts, busts, busts... and more busts. Get ready for
them, dear reader. Enjoy them.

*** Money. Money. Money. It seems as though people think of
little else. We write about it every day, but we don't understand why people make such a fuss about it.

Here in Europe, we the humble scribes at The Daily
Reckoning like to keep things simple and inexpensive. Like Morning Naughten, we have discovered that you can live reasonably well on relatively little money.

We don't need much. Just the other day, the gardener at our
country place asked if we would like to install an
automatic watering system in the new ornamental gardens we
are building. "No," we replied, "just do it the
old-fashioned way... you can water them with a hose."

Keep it simple.

And then, our secretary asked if we would like to have some
new-fangled cable TV system at our apartment in London.

"No," we replied again. "We don't have that at our
apartment in Paris. We'll make do without it here,
either."

Keep it cheap.

*** A Daily Reckoning reader comments:

"Today, we are witnessing two unfortunate realities. First,
an administration that has lied so much they actually
believe their own lies and preach them at every opportunity
as if it the new gospel. When faced with overwhelming
evidence that the cause of the war was unjust, all they do
is stage more press conferences with even more
determination and emotion that they have done the right
thing to protect America. I believe it was some famous Nazi
who said, 'If you make the lie big enough, it becomes the
new truth.'?

"The second seems to be the incredible gullibility of the public to believe these lies despite all the evidence. It would be unpatriotic to question them.

"So the band plays on, and people dance, eat and drink. All
the while the water rises deck by deck through the ship.
Peak oil arrives, and people look upon it as some strange
thing they have never seen, much like the dinosaurs must
have looked upon the light that streaked through the sky on
that fateful day some 65 million years ago. Report after
report is starting to reveal just how much financial
trouble there is with Social Security, medical and all
these government programs. The water rises, but just one
more dance - the music is so good.

"I live in a world of mass delusion, which believes it will
not end. Trust me, I live in California! This is why there
is no outrage, because there is nothing perceived as wrong.
In fact, I feel that the public in general is completely unaware of just how bad the future could be in the not-so-distant years.

"This morning, I was in the backyard and saw a passenger
plane (maybe a 737) fly over, and I could not help but
think that in 30 more years, they will be no more, and I
will only be 65 at that time. When you really look at Peak
oil alongside the demographics of aging in this nation, I
think it is the closest thing to Armageddon I have ever
seen. Yet, not a damn word is said in these debates about
this iceberg.

"How can people not notice the slant? Do people not hear
the water? Is the music so wonderful that it drowns out all
else? Lies have become truth, and the truth is called lies.
Regardless, I am 35, and I plan to live a long and good
life, within my means, protecting my wealth through all
that will come in the next 30 years.

"So every month I travel to the local coin store and
contribute to the only savings I can see lasting in the
face of such problems... sometimes silver, sometimes gold, because when I look towards my retirement some 30 or more years from now, paper has no real value except for fires, wrapping stuff and wiping your privates.

"History is incredible at times, and historically, we must
be completely blind."



To: russwinter who wrote (13449)10/15/2004 2:01:55 AM
From: mishedlo  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 116555
 
Mish Reply To Minyanville
Background....
One of my pieces that I wrote and posted here was also posted on Minyanville.
That post stirred up several rebuttals and this response is to the latest one which argues for inflation.
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Todd, I am glad my original post has stirred up so much debate.
I appreciate the responses from other Minyans on this critical issue.
The answer to this puzzle is a very critical one.
The answer determines whether or not one should invest in bonds for the upcoming deflationary ice crunch or short bonds for the upcoming inflationary fire.

In actuality I agree with previous responders to my post. Ultimately there will be hell to pay for this inflationary credit expansion. The key here is ULTIMATELY.
Yes we are dependent on Asia (Japan and China) to support our currency. But…. That is the trend and the trend is your friend. What will it take for this trend to stop?
That is the immediate question at hand. IMO the trend will stop IF and ONLY IF there is some other external demand outside the USA that breaks the chain of this world imbalance as USA the consumer of last resort and China the producer of everything.

Minyans, please take a look at housing, jobs, and wages. The signs are clear as a bell… The US consumers are about ready to throw in the towel. I fully realize this has been stated before but now we see definite indications from USA housing inventory, leading economic indicators, and USA falling lumber prices.
Check this lumber chart out: futuresource.com
Someone tell me that chart is inflationary!

With all the capacity in China, if the US consumer gives up and/or if US housing stalls, someone please tell me who is going to pick up the slack for all of the output coming out of China. Japan has proven 100% without a doubt that expansionist monetary policy can NOT defeat a K-Winter cycle. IMO it was the sign of hubris from Greenspan to announce the defeat of deflation just as everyone wrote off the possibility. The big “inflation bust” scenario is very very real BUT only if wages are rising and demand is rising. The quite simply is NO worldwide demand outside the US. If we stop buying their stuff they will stop buying ours. Period. End of story. Trade worldwide will slow.

As for the issue of currency, is the Yen or the Euro better than the US$? If so why? Europe and Japan have a far bigger demographic problem than the US. In addition, their balance of trade is better than ours because we are buying tons of their stuff. What happens when US consumers FINALLY hit the wall? No one yet has been able to tell me where Japan and China and Europe sell their goods to. Who wins in a worldwide recession? Are there winners?

Ultimately there is one simple truth.
Whatever China demands is inflationary. Whatever China produces is deflationary.

But… At some point if US demand falls, and there is no demand to replace it, the chain breaks. Are we at that point?
I think we have crossed the Rubicon. The bond market is reflecting that right now IMO. In fact there is every chance that US interest rates have been fully normalized. Right here right now at 1.75%. Reckless expansion of credit by FNM and FRE is responsible for a large part of these inflationary pressures we have seen. More houses means more furniture, more carpets, more lumber, more grass seed, more appliances, more everything. The cessation or even the stalling of these needs is quite deflationary.

To assume that this debt will be inflated away is totally foolish IMO. Essentially it is an admission that this reckless expansion of credit was justified. It is an admission that Greenspan was able to defeat K-Winter and brag about it. It is an admission that people get what they want as opposed to what they deserve. Well I am not willing to admit any of those things. A housing slump in the US will without a doubt cause a worldwide recession. That event will hardly be inflationary regardless of what oil prices do.

Here is a fact I just learned today:
The American Consumer represents 70% of U.S. GDP, and in turn the U.S. represents about one third of world GDP.
The U.S. consumer represents (0.33 x 0.70) = 23% of world GDP, while only representing roughly 5% of the world's population.
How long can this last?
What happens to the world economy when it stalls?
If we stop buying their stuff at the current rate how can they afford all of the current capacity they have?
With rising gas prices, rising heating oil prices, rising medical expenses, and with housing outstripping affordability even at 1.75% interest rates, someone tell me who blinks first: the US consumer or Japan supporting the US$.

Yes, Minyans inflation will indeed come. But that is down the road. It will be preceded by an enormous housing slump, a big stock market collapse, and a destruction of all of this ridiculous expansion of credit. That is what is deserved. It is not what anyone wants. Timing is everything. We are seeing FALSE inflation just as Japan did in one of numerous economic maladjustments they used in a foolish attempt to defeat K-Winter. We have followed in their exact footsteps.

For a good as well as current read on the inflation/deflation debate I recommend this article:
hoisingtonmgt.com

Here is the June 06 Eurodollar chart (US interest rates)
futuresource.com
Tell me that is not bullish looking. (chart going up = expected interest rates headed down)

Check out interest rate futures in the UK.
futuresource.com
Totally flat as a pancake.
Going out all the way to sept 2009 interest rates are expected to stay in a .25 range!
Yeah right.
This is an amazing opportunity for any kind of volatility play.
With housing stalling in the UK for me it is a one way bet.

Disclosure: It is obvious where I stand.
I am long interest rate futures in the US, the UK, and the EU.
I believe that interest rates are headed lower or at the very least interest rates in the US will rise slower than what has been priced in.
After the deflationary bust (and who knows how long it will be prolonged)… then and only then will the inflationists be right.

Mike Shedlock