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To: SilentZ who wrote (207138)	10/17/2004 11:07:56 AM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574007

He's made fun of his own GPA in speeches, so we know that he was a C student at Yale. Why should that have gotten him into Harvard? You can't get into FSU today with a C average. That's a fact Al

To: SilentZ who wrote (207138)	10/17/2004 11:48:05 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574007

>> He's made fun of his own GPA in speeches, so we know that he was a C student at Yale. The context was that of self-deprecating humor, and whether there is truth to it or not is unknown. I think a liberal magazine once claimed to have his transcripts, but unless they print them, I won't believe it. Either way, I don't believe he rolled through Harvard Business School's graduate program without being a reasonably good student. For me, delivering a 4-point in a much lesser known graduate school required a year and a half of 12 hour days -- including weekends and holidays. I certainly expect Harvard would have been more difficult.

To: SilentZ who wrote (207138)	10/17/2004 12:11:30 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Respond to of 1574007

RE:"He's made fun of his own GPA in speeches, so we know that he was a C student at Yale. Why should that have gotten him into Harvard?" What's so great about Harvard then?

To: SilentZ who wrote (207138)	10/17/2004 4:07:38 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1574007

heck, I'm pretty sure Bush got in because of his family, but so what? That's how these schools work. My old boss went to Yale, and his father went to Yale, and his grandfather went there, and his great-grandfather went there. Because of the family "legacy," his kids are more likely to get into Yale than other students. So what? I don't know why people are making a big deal of it. Thousands of people get into Ivy Leagues schools because of the legacy system. Its called nepotism. Even if its not dishonest, it is disgusting. And it doesn't ensure the best quality of people will get to the top. That's why we have Bush as president. ted

To: SilentZ who wrote (207138)	10/18/2004 2:26:21 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574007

And heck, I'm pretty sure Bush got in because of his family, but so what? That's how these schools work. My old boss went to Yale, and his father went to Yale, and his grandfather went there, and his great-grandfather went there. Because of the family "legacy," his kids are more likely to get into Yale than other students. So what? Well thanks for a softball! The "so what" here is that that (family lineage being valued over individual accomplishment) is how the governments of the Middle East are currently structured, and that is inherently opposed to the idea that "all men are created equal". Hosni Mubarak's son (likely next leader of Egypt) is just a bit more equal than most Egyptians. King Abdullah of Jordan didn't do more to win his "throne" other than being born son of the former king. The House of Saud in Saudi are all related. Syria, Oman, Kuwait, the list is endless. And that's the region of the world that George, son of George, wants to"reform". "So what" is that admission to top tier university based in any way on family lineage as opposed to individual merit is the OPPOSITE of what George CLAIMS to be promoting in the Middle East. And yet..... George's entire presidency would likely never had occurred had he not been born the son of a president, and that is one more reason I vote against him. His history (Governor of Texas with virtually zero experience, Harvard MBA despite C grades in Yale, shady Texas business deals that result in him making millions of dollars) SMACKS of exactly the type of social system that he claims to want to reform.