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To: GST who wrote (148133)	10/20/2004 8:47:47 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I read what you write -- you make assertions about a country a nation state that you call Taiwan -- but that nation state does not exist. A state called the Republic of China exists. It is commonly referred to as Taiwan. That state controls territory and its government is not under the control of another government. There is no other nation state on earth that recognizes a nation state called "Taiwan" A fact that is entirely irrelevant. A state does not cease to exist or lose is sovereignty because foreign governments and diplomats do not recognize it formally. The PROC was a sovereign state even when much of the world recognized the ROC as the government of China. Similarly the ROC is a sovereign state even though the PROC gets formal recognition. and Taiwan itself does not represent itself as a nation state False. Taiwan (or if you insist The Republic of China) does represent itself as a nation state. A state that has "temporally" lost control of Beijing and Shanghai. I have sat at the table with "Taiwan, Hong Kong and Beijing" at the same. There is no ambiguity about who is the senior partner. Historically the US has at times thrown its weight around in for example Central America. Sometimes this involved military action but often it was more subtle, being the biggest and strongest and richest gives you weight to throw around. Often this weight made the US the "senior partner" "at the table". That fact doesn't mean that the Central American countries lacked sovereignty then, or lack it now. Beijing it the 500lb gorilla in the area. It gets some degree of deference and can exercise some degree of intimidation. But the government in Beijing isn't the government over Taipei. In theory it might be able to make itself the government over Taipei but even if it does at some point in the future it wouldn't change the present situation. The action would not have retroactive effects. Tim