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To: GST who wrote (148134)10/18/2004 10:05:20 AM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Yes the north vietnamese and the viet cong were just as vietnamese as the south vietnamese govt and supporters. They may have been bad but no one now doubts that it was a civil war when defined broadly (vietnam really one country not two back then). In iraq, no similarity exists. Zarquawi, bin laden, baath remnants, and still functioning saddam security apparatus are there to imprison iraqis much like the taliban imprisoned afgans. To call these folks iraqis is an insult. This does not change the fact that it is a guerilla insurgency and that many iraqis view us as occupiers and want us out. Some even ally themselves with the bad guys viewing the job of getting us out as more important. Its just that very few want them in. Note i left al sadr out as according to NYTimes today over 1000 large weapons have been turned in so far and the govt is extending the time period. I know you think al sadr a bad outcome but he certainly falls within your definition of an iraqi. Mike



To: GST who wrote (148134)10/20/2004 8:49:48 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
In a sense we were kicked out of Vietnam, but not very much like the French before us. The French were actually decisively defeated and pretty much forced to leave, we were not, but even if we were it would not change the fact that we were not invaders in Vietnam.

Tim