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To: Poet who wrote (61554)10/19/2004 10:51:18 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
from today's New York Times...

"Mr. Bush's job approval rating is at 44 percent, a dangerously low number for an incumbent president, and one of the lowest of his tenure. A majority of voters said that they disapproved of the way Mr. Bush had managed the economy and the war in Iraq, and - echoing a refrain of Mr. Kerry's - that his tax cuts had favored the wealthy. Voters said that Mr. Kerry would do a better job of preserving Social Security, creating jobs and ending the war in Iraq."

It's tough to win re-elction IF the approval rating is below 50%.

-s2@MayTheAmericanPeopleGetTheLeaderTheyDeserveInNovember.com



To: Poet who wrote (61554)10/19/2004 11:35:52 AM
From: Bill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
I wouldn't call it UFB.
They've been pretty consistent on this issue.



To: Poet who wrote (61554)10/19/2004 11:53:21 AM
From: E  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
There won't be an excommunication, I'm sure. My guess is that that letter sends the message they want to send to Catholic voters, but that they know that there would be a bigtime backlash if excommunication were to take place, so it will idle in the background as it is, doing its work simply with the fumes of the idle.

I may be wrong (I hope I'm not), but I believe that even the majority of fundamentalist Christians would disapprove of a religious edict from Rome so clearly calculated to manipulate an American election.

If they wouldn't know on their own that excommunication would give Kerry the election, the Bush campaign wouldn't be shy about informing them.

If polls show Bush as the loser, though, there is no desperate measure that would surprise me.

JFK said, "I do not speak for my church on public matters - and the church does not speak for me."

But of course that was then, this is now.

religionwriters.com



To: Poet who wrote (61554)10/19/2004 12:43:58 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
God forbid that I would ever take it upon myself to speak for any religious ‘authority’. … please. Amen.

Having said that. There is a place for rules in any social group. In fact, social groups are primarily defined by their rules set. Some rules violations come under the category of tolerable to the group with some contingency, while others are simply intolerable.

For example: Let’s say that within your home you have a rule that kids must taste (at least one bite) of whatever you serve them at dinner time. If they bring a guest who cries and insists she will throw up if she has to eat peas, most people would excuse her from the rule. However, you would probably not let her stay at the table if she insists that she has the right to knife your kid for taking the last biscuit.

Religious groups, being private, ought to have the ability to establish tolerable limits for their rules, and those of us outside the group ought to respect their limits. We don’t have to be members but we shouldn’t insist on membership and that the rules don’t apply.